Thread: Together We Can (another awesome youtube video)

Originally Posted by waterboy100

FTFY. I'm not convinced that the Kings did lose money and I won't change my mind until they (or any other team that cries poverty) opens their books to an independent audit.

I can't tell you for last year, but in the past they did open their books up to one of the members here (a CPA I think) who went over them, the books were clean (I went through a lot of the stuff myself as well) and the Kings did lose money, they were not paying AEG stupid money on rent at Staples etc (which is actually where I thought the money was going), basically, the ticket prices were/are to low.

Fingers crossed we will be going to the March 5th game against the Maple Leafs, we will be with friends from Toronto, when they heard we can pick up good seats for under $200 they were amazed/ecstatic.

Also, I just came across this facebook page, it may not be a bad idea to see if we cannot load it up with likes, if only to show both sides the fans want to see a season.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/NHL-fa...23262917711356

Originally Posted by Thud

I can't tell you for last year, but in the past they did open their books up to one of the members here (a CPA I think) who went over them, the books were clean (I went through a lot of the stuff myself as well) and the Kings did lose money, they were not paying AEG stupid money on rent at Staples etc (which is actually where I thought the money was going), basically, the ticket prices were/are to low.

Fingers crossed we will be going to the March 5th game against the Maple Leafs, we will be with friends from Toronto, when they heard we can pick up good seats for under $200 they were amazed/ecstatic.

They did it the year of the lookout, and I'm not surprised they were losing money then. However in the last 8 years league revenue has (doubled?, tripled?) And I'm not convinced that they are still losing money.

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Originally Posted by LOSTcauseZERO

The problem is the owners are a giant clusterfuk. A leader would tell them that and unfuk them. These owners don't realize they are going to lose a helluva' a lot more, if they were even losing anything at all to begin with, if there is a lockout. They're going to lose more this time then they did the last time. The owners are the ones ruining the NHL, because they have absolutely no regard for the game, the players, and most importantly the fans.

A leader would. The problem is that Bettman was not hired to be a leader. He was hired by the owners to do what they want him to do. The second he strays even infinitesimally from being their lap dog, he'll be in the unemployment line looking to collect benefits.

Originally Posted by Thud

Also, I just came across this facebook page, it may not be a bad idea to see if we cannot load it up with likes, if only to show both sides the fans want to see a season.

NHL fans not standing for a lockout | Facebook

While it's nice to think that the fans could have some sort of input into this situation, neither side gives a rat's behind about the fans. All the videos, likes on Facebook, follows on Twitter, etc are going to do NOTHING. Players aren't going to take a deal that is bad for them just so fans can watch them play. Owners aren't going to take a deal that could see them lose money for the fans sake either. Besides, if the owners take a bad deal, the price for things like tickets, merchandise, concessions, and parking will go up to offset any loss they would take in the CBA.

I've seen people say "Oh, fans should boycott any company that advertises with the NHL or their respective teams to send a message." Off the top of my head, I'd need to get a new car, new car insurance company, break existing contracts on my internet/tv/phone providers, cancel a credit card, and get a new computer. That's not including the small things like no longer drinking certain beverages, shopping at certain stores, etc. I'm not going to buy a new computer and pay early termination fees on contracts to send a message to the NHL, let alone sell my car and buy a new one. That's why a boycott wouldn't work.

Originally Posted by waterboy100

They did it the year of the lookout, and I'm not surprised they were losing money then. However in the last 8 years league revenue has (doubled?, tripled?) And I'm not convinced that they are still losing money.

My only comment on this would be, while league revenues have increased, how much has the Kings payroll increased during that period? It's not like revenues have increased and costs have stayed the same.

Originally Posted by waterboy100

They did it the year of the lookout, and I'm not surprised they were losing money then. However in the last 8 years league revenue has (doubled?, tripled?) And I'm not convinced that they are still losing money.

Originally Posted by Dana

My only comment on this would be, while league revenues have increased, how much has the Kings payroll increased during that period? It's not like revenues have increased and costs have stayed the same.

From CapGeek.com (which only goes back to the 08-09 season)

Code:

Year			Salary		Cap Hit
2008-2009	$39,340,833	$44,239,200
2009-2010	$65,191,666	$54,050,509
2010-2011	$70,771,583 	$59,316,825
2011-2012	$71,485,703 	$63,671,202
2012-2013	$64,895,000	$62,320,227

If I really cared I'm sure I could find the data for price increases, jersey sales, and other stuff, but I don't.

Also, A lot of what Philip Propper wrote was very interesting, but he also glossed over some important details in his original report.

Originally Posted by RagBone

Until someone pounds it into all these multimillionaires heads that without the fans there is ZERO revenue, this B.S. will continue.

There's zero revenue when there's a lockout.

I think they've figured that one out.

Originally Posted by Bogey

There's zero revenue when there's a lockout.

I think they've figured that one out.

Then a lockout shouldn't even be an option, yet it is.

Less Canucks, more Kings...especially towards the end.