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    Vey must play on the topline.

    There's nothing to see in the AHL anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo Blando View Post
    I really have to question what you are watching during these games.
    It has nothing to do with the Kings game. It has everything to do with him winning 12 straight Stanley Cups on here:

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    at the draft party a couple of years ago, and under a considerable haze, i heard Birdman yell out the following (about 4 or 5 times, i think) - "don't marry yourselves to players!" he went on to reiterate that idea more than once on the boards, and i believe it to be absolutely sage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KopiFan11 View Post
    i too believe vey has to stay! maybe i can go eat some hay. and make some things out of clay. maybe i'll go lay down by the bay? what do you say?
    Nay... He needs to Play... Manchester is where he will stay... Have you listen to him speak? He sounds.... funny..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo Blando View Post
    I really have to question what you are watching during these games.
    Im assuming it's this on repeat...

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    No way does Vey stay until he learns how to play Daryl's way on every day and in every way
    so he can be called up for good and makes some real pay so he won't have to worry about
    ever again bailing hay and going back to play in the AHL to stay and never say he was an
    NHLer to his his dismay so his hair don't turn gray while waiting to lay down some play away
    in the Cup playoffs in late May,

    That will be the day.

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    You coulda called the AHL just 'the A'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo Blando View Post
    Good lord man, Detroit is INFAMOUS for keeping their kids in the AHL until they are ready to step into the roles they are best suited.

    And any lineup that doesn't include Lewis is ridiculous. Trevor Lewis is the Kings workhorse, the engine that derived their forecheck.

    I really have to question what you are watching during these games.
    Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen & Helm all played lesser roles with the Wings before being moved up. The first three didn't play at all in the AHL and Helm did for parts of two seasons and he saw time in Detroit in both those seasons.

    Helm might be the most similar to Vey and Vey has already played more games in "the A".

    My issue isn't with letting players season in the AHL but they get to a point where they will learn more with the big club than in the AHL where they aren't playing roles they will play in the NHL. If you want Vey to learn how to play better defense, he's not going to learn that in Manchester where he is the #1 center and playing against inferior competition.

    Abdelkader - 100 AHL games
    Andersson - 180 AHL games
    Datsyuk - 0 AHL Games
    Franzen - 0 AHL Games
    Helm - 120 AHL Games
    Nyquist - 120 AHL Games
    Tatar - 200 AHL Games
    Zetterberg - 0 AHL Games

    Vey - 160 AHL Games

    You were saying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gretzky99 View Post
    If you want Vey to learn how to play better defense, he's not going to learn that in Manchester
    That's not true at all. If his problem is reading the play, better positioning, and potentially strength, he can absolutely improve those facets of his play down in the A. The fact that the competition is inferior is actually helpful since it allows him to practice and focus on a few things at a slower pace. Often times, the learning curve is much harder at a faster pace because there's more responsibility and less time to process the information.

    The biggest issue though, in my opinion, is asset management. There's no rush to keep him up. And there's certainly no rush to start casting off quality players at the core of this team's group, when we have the luxury of returning him to the A without losing somebody else. The Kings have stayed competitive during injuries precisely because Lombardi hasn't jumped the gun. If we start trading away players and waiving guys then we lose the ability to withstand additional injuries that are more likely to occur as the season progresses. It's a long, brutal, regular season... and that only assures us a spot in the post season. Why compromise our ability to get there at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helvetica View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gretzky99 View Post
    If you want Vey to learn how to play better defense, he's not going to learn that in Manchester
    That's not true at all. If his problem is reading the play, better positioning, and potentially strength, he can absolutely improve those facets of his play down in the A. The fact that the competition is inferior is actually helpful since it allows him to practice and focus on a few things at a slower pace. Often times, the learning curve is much harder at a faster pace because there's more responsibility and less time to process the information.

    The biggest issue though, in my opinion, is asset management. There's no rush to keep him up. And there's certainly no rush to start casting off quality players at the core of this team's group, when we have the luxury of returning him to the A without losing somebody else. The Kings have stayed competitive during injuries precisely because Lombardi hasn't jumped the gun. If we start trading away players and waiving guys then we lose the ability to withstand additional injuries that are more likely to occur as the season progresses. It's a long, brutal, regular season... and that only assures us a spot in the post season. Why compromise our ability to get there at all?
    If he was hurting the team than I would understand the argument. He clearly isn't hurting the team being a plus player and 5 points in 10 games.
    He is a better option than Fraser and Lewis at center. At some point you have to play your best players.

    Waiving Fraser doesn't necessarily means you lose him. And if you do, he is replaceable both in the short and long term.

    Lewis hasn't been the same player he was two years ago. He doesn't have to be traded if DL thinks he can re-sign him. I just don't see how playing Stoll/Lewis is better than Vey/ Stoll.

    Detroit is a great example at how to do this. They let the kids play in the AHL but when they can be productive in the NHL they let then play. And the Kings did something similar with Voynov. They moved a player to fill a hole and had a player to fill the vacated hole.

    I am not saying Vey can never be sent down. But I am saying the goal should be to find a place in the lineup for him much like they did with Voynov.

    160 games is plenty of time in the AHL. Time to let the talent play.
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    These guys go through ups and downs, and from my stand point, it's just not a sound move to to get rid of guys who have sown to be solid contributors over the long haul for a guy who has been decent for about 10 games. I have no huge attachment to Fraser, but i do think it's unwise to lose him at this point in the season. We clearly disagree on Lewis who i think is extremely valuable despite his lack of production so far this season. To cite an example, look no further than Nolan and King, both of whom played extremely well on their first call up over a short period. Then, the rigors of a lengthier season and added responsibility caused them to "regress". Even to start this season, most were calling for them to be traded/waived. Now they've started to get some positive momentum and all of a sudden they're gold around here. It would be a monumentally poor choice to get rid of Lewis at this point of the season in the midst of low point in his progression.

    I just flat out disagree that Vey "needs" to stay up here right now. I like the guy and i'm looking forward to his future with the Kings, but I don't think i'll be convinced that the time is now and that it's a need in the way you're describing it. To me, the way the Kings have been playing lately, up and down the roster, is more a result of our backend's improved play than it is a clear indication that a guy like Vey has "it" and that Lewis does not.

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