We are BACK!!!! NHL AND NHLPA REACH DEAL ON COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT

**FishMonger** · December 11th, 2012, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by aaron

Donald Fehr and the NHL lockout - Grantland

Does anyone else have a hard time reading things that don't even pretend to hide its agenda? If I wanted to read someone completely close-minded ranting about **** they can't change, I'd read FoxNews or MSNBC.

**AngelEyes** · December 11th, 2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by aaron

Donald Fehr and the NHL lockout - Grantland

Thanks for posting this. There are a couple of falsehoods in there, but for the most part, it's the same lens through which I see this fiasco.

**pg1067** · December 11th, 2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by santiclaws

They're meeting in NY, apparently. Four teams have called staff back/told them to be on stand by...

Something that has been rumored to have happened numerous times over the past three months....

**Claw21** · December 11th, 2012, 10:29 AM

These dumbasses crack me up. Nobody cares anymore. And they wonder why hockey plays 4th fiddle to other sports. Buncha fools.

**pg1067** · December 11th, 2012, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Claw21

Nobody cares anymore.

2,300+ posts in this thread and the "Lockout -- Part 1" thread and the numerous articles cited and linked therein suggest otherwise.

**aaron** · December 11th, 2012, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by FishMonger

Does anyone else have a hard time reading things that don't even pretend to hide its agenda? If I wanted to read someone completely close-minded ranting about **** they can't change, I'd read FoxNews or MSNBC.

**Claw21** · December 11th, 2012, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by pg1067

2,300+ posts in this thread and the "Lockout -- Part 1" thread and the numerous articles cited and linked therein suggest otherwise.

We live in a letsgokings.com bubble my friend. Maybe I should have phrased it better.

**aaron** · December 11th, 2012, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dana

As for the rumor that it's a dick measuring contest between Bettman and Fehr, when did anyone think that wouldn't be the case?

Do you honestly believe this?
If so, you underestimate both bettman and fehr

**SmytheKing** · December 11th, 2012, 10:44 AM

The owners, who got practically everything they wanted the last time they blew off a season, once again are asking the players to bail them out because (a) they were stupid in the way they sited their franchises, and (b) some of them were stupid enough to offer deals so long that the contracts will reach puberty before they expire.

I'm honestly curious why every time someone supports the players in this mess, they bring this up. It just clears it up for me that this is about "we lost last time, now you have to lose this time" and not really about "hey lets fix some things that are obviously broken". What does it matter that the owners got everything they wanted last time? Is there ANYONE who would suggest the players haven't ended up winning in the long term of that deal? Let's not even bring up that fact that this deal was SIGNIFICANTLY worse than the one they could have signed before losing any games at all. Can anyone tell me why this is being totally ignored in favor of, "hey, it's not fair that we have to "lose" twice in a row" and "it's not our fault you screwed up"?

**santiclaws** · December 11th, 2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by SmytheKing

I'm honestly curious why every time someone supports the players in this mess, they bring this up. It just clears it up for me that this is about "we lost last time, now you have to lose this time" and not really about "hey lets fix some things that are obviously broken". What does it matter that the owners got everything they wanted last time? Is there ANYONE who would suggest the players haven't ended up winning in the long term of that deal? Let's not even bring up that fact that this deal was SIGNIFICANTLY worse than the one they could have signed before losing any games at all. Can anyone tell me why this is being totally ignored in favor of, "hey, it's not fair that we have to "lose" twice in a row" and "it's not our fault you screwed up"?

Because long-term, if one party "loses" every negotiation, it will only get worse. The players clearly lost the last two CBA negotiations, despite the fact that the last CBA turned out to be far more beneficial for them than anyone would have predicted and certainly far more than the owners expected. The breaks even out over time. If you're on one side of the negotiations and the pattern of loss after loss is developing, you must break the pattern at some point, as it only gets worse with every successive negotiation. Particularly when the ownership's "Plan A" every time is to lock out the players and wait for the union to break. If you're on the NHLPA's side, you want to ensure that a lockout is not "Plan A" and you can only do that by making a lockout an unpalatable option. Enter Don Fehr. He's being an absolute dick in this negotiation, but it is not an accident. It is a very calculated move. Th more painful it is for the NHL, the better it is for the NHLPA. His actions carry a risk, but so do Bettman's. These guys are two of the best. You're watching a chess match between two grand masters.

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