We are BACK!!!! NHL AND NHLPA REACH DEAL ON COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT

**KRC1221** · December 11th, 2012, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by fuzzerson

I see a 56 game (4 * 14) game schedule as two conferences and no divisional alignment. Top 10 get in with a mini series (best 2 of 3) added. That way 10 of the 15 teams in each conference get in the playoffs.

Why would they ever change the playoff format? They didn't do it after the last lockout, why now?

**KRC1221** · December 11th, 2012, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Hkyfmly

I just got done talking to my friend who works for the Kings and he told me.

"The rumor is Bettman sent a Text to Fehr when do you want to meet? Fehr
wrote back it is none of your business. That is when he blew up on him"

Now that would really suck if that is the reason a deal did not get done.

I have a REALLY hard time believing that two 55+ year old men in the middle of a ****ing labor negotiation are texting each other to see when they want to meet.

**AngelEyes** · December 11th, 2012, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Bollocks

Well said. This "we lost last time" is a complete bull****. Of course the players are going to lose again. The only possible way they could "win" is if the previous CBA along with revenues created a significant drop in player's salaries. It's only a matter of how much they're going to lose, and that's going to be determined with the final offer they negotiate. They will lose one way or another, because the previous CBA was imbalanced towards the players. And guess WHY it was imbalanced...because the players didn't lose enough 8 years ago. Simple.

And this ^ is potentially complete bollocks. <heh> Unless all the league's teams open their books to independent auditors, no one can be sure that the salary structure of the last CBA was skewed to the players or not. Why is it so hard for some of you to consider that the owners are simply crying poor to try and increase their profit margins?

In my mind, part of the reason that these billionaire owners are as wealthy as they are because a) they're ruthless and b) they're (to some varying degree) dishonest. No one accumulates that kind of wealth without stepping on others and creating a business environment that favors them. Yes, that's capitalism, and yes, that's the world in which we live. But fortunately we also live in a world where voices that are united in a common cause can still affect policy.

**Royal_Roader** · December 11th, 2012, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by AngelEyes

And this ^ is potentially complete bollocks. <heh> Unless all the league's teams open their books to independent auditors, no one can be sure that the salary structure of the last CBA was skewed to the players or not. Why is it so hard for some of you to consider that the owners are simply crying poor to try and increase their profit margins?

In my mind, part of the reason that these billionaire owners are as wealthy as they are because a) they're ruthless and b) they're (to some varying degree) dishonest. No one accumulates that kind of wealth without stepping on others and creating a business environment that favors them. Yes, that's capitalism, and yes, that's the world in which we live. But fortunately we also live in a world where voices that are united in a common cause can still affect policy.

Right now, I'm trying to take a small business and make something out of it. One day, I even hope to get to pay myself. Of all the causes I can lend my voice to, making sure that hockey players get multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts is way down on the list.

**fuzzerson** · December 11th, 2012, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by KRC1221

Why would they ever change the playoff format? They didn't do it after the last lockout, why now?

Fan interest. There is likely to be a bigger challenge getting fans back after this lockout than any previous lockout. The more teams in the playoffs, the greater the fan interest.

**waterboy100** · December 11th, 2012, 09:38 PM

great lockout article
Donald Fehr and the NHL lockout - Grantland

**aragorn** · December 11th, 2012, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by waterboy100

great lockout article
Donald Fehr and the NHL lockout - Grantland

What a wasted read from an NPR and Esquire writer.

**Bogey** · December 11th, 2012, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by waterboy100:2606832

great lockout article
Donald Fehr and the NHL lockout - Grantland

Yes, great.

Clearly an unbiased article.

**waterboy100** · December 11th, 2012, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bogey

Yes, great.

Clearly an unbiased article.

I didn't say it was unbiased, and furthermore I'd love to know where one goes for unbiased sports coverage

, but either way, it was interesting and somewhat informative.

**Bollocks** · December 12th, 2012, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by AngelEyes

And this ^ is potentially complete bollocks. <heh> Unless all the league's teams open their books to independent auditors, no one can be sure that the salary structure of the last CBA was skewed to the players or not. Why is it so hard for some of you to consider that the owners are simply crying poor to try and increase their profit margins?

In my mind, part of the reason that these billionaire owners are as wealthy as they are because a) they're ruthless and b) they're (to some varying degree) dishonest. No one accumulates that kind of wealth without stepping on others and creating a business environment that favors them. Yes, that's capitalism, and yes, that's the world in which we live. But fortunately we also live in a world where voices that are united in a common cause can still affect policy.

I can consider this. In fact, I am considering it. But it makes no effin' difference. There are STILL teams losing money, and as long as there will be, the owners WILL look towards fixing the CBA their way.

Ok, if the players listen to you, the season's likely done, most of the players don't get anything near what they would instead, and if they insist on "winning", the NHL may go into a recycle bin.
Look, I'm NOT saying the owners are saints and deserve more money (I never ever said that). All I'm saying is that it's how it works and they have every right to demand these things as long as some teams are losing money - because without their ruthless millions, there wouldn't be NHL teams.

And regarding the knowing if previous CBA was skewed or not: yes it was. Because 57% went to the players. That means the higher the revenues, the higher imbalance/skewness. If revenues remained at around the same level, there would be much less fuss about the new CBA.

All I do is stating the obvious and logical stuff that some people clearly ignore when siding with the players. There won't be "peace" or "winning" for the players until ALL teams are at least at positive zero. Period.

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