Thread: All Purpose Trade Deadline Thread

Hello bus...meet Rick Nash. Yeah, Howson is all but gone and the fans have to be relieved that if Nash does go it won't be him handling the deal. There are a lot of issues in Columbus and they fans are tired of it. Howson tried to redirect the frustration and we will see how that works. Note to Nash, if you really want out...you have to be a little more flexible. Columbus has no compulsion to trade you and certainly not to a team that will fleece them. Either shut up and play or give your team some room to work with. Not saying you have to ok a trade to the worst team in the league, oh wait...second worst team in the league, but you gotta have some wiggle.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

Hello bus...meet Rick Nash. Yeah, Howson is all but gone and the fans have to be relieved that if Nash does go it won't be him handling the deal. There are a lot of issues in Columbus and they fans are tired of it. Howson tried to redirect the frustration and we will see how that works. Note to Nash, if you really want out...you have to be a little more flexible. Columbus has no compulsion to trade you and certainly not to a team that will fleece them. Either shut up and play or give your team some room to work with. Not saying you have to ok a trade to the worst team in the league, oh wait...second worst team in the league, but you gotta have some wiggle.

problem is... he signed the contract that was offered to him - which included that clause.

Columbus has shot themselves in both feet.

Originally Posted by gescom

problem is... he signed the contract that was offered to him - which included that clause.

Columbus has shot themselves in both feet.

Certainly you mean a clause that limits teams and not that he can force them to trade him. That was my point. They are not obligated in any way shape or form to trade him. If he wants to go so badly he might need to add some more teams to the list. You gotta give to get.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

Certainly you mean a clause that limits teams and not that he can force them to trade him. That was my point. They are not obligated in any way shape or form to trade him. If he wants to go so badly he might need to add some more teams to the list. You gotta give to get.

rarely if ever am i on the side of a player in these sort of circumstances... when it was the CBJ braintrust mulling the idea of moving Nash, you're right, they were under no obligation to move him. now, after the lame-duck GM publicly throws your franchise plaeyer and team captain under the bus, you HAVE to trade him. this issue has ramifications that go well beyond Rick Nash... they'll end up with 9 Vaclav Prospals on their team every year.

Originally Posted by Drunken Crunker

Sounds like the plan is to put Kassian in right away.

Definitely addressed the size and grit issue many felt the Canucks had.

yep. And with Ballard hurt Gragnani will have an immediate impact too. Though if recent D acquisitions are any indication he's going to have a tough time with the system at first. That said I think the plan of Ballard-Tanev as the third pairing in the playoffs is still intact.

As for the trade, call it emotional attachment I suppose, with everyone talking about how this is a good but risky trade for both sides I have a hard time seeing that. I get adding grit to the 2nd line but ultimately the Canucks have been touting how scoring was the issue. Well, Hodgson has helped scoring and helped make a 2nd viable power play unit. Kassian meanwhile might have more upside long term for the team (ultimately where the hell was Hodgson going to be play behind Sedin and Kesler) but I think Vancouver actually shot itself in the foot a bit this season. Unless they somehow make Kassian work for them.

I didn't think Hodgson was getting moved and wonder if we had openly shopped him if we could've gotten a better deal. Further I'm surprised of the two blue chip prospects it wasn't Schneider that got traded but I think deep down Gillis still isn't sure what to do with him. Draft day deal most likely.

As for the Columbus situation I can't believe he threw Nash under the bus like that. It will be an interesting draft day.

Still think a change in GM could soothe things in Ohio. New guy comes in, says all the right things, ownership places all the blame on Howson. Unlikely, but it could happen.Nash does not seem like the grudge-y type. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Originally Posted by gescom

rarely if ever am i on the side of a player in these sort of circumstances... when it was the CBJ braintrust mulling the idea of moving Nash, you're right, they were under no obligation to move him. now, after the lame-duck GM publicly throws your franchise plaeyer and team captain under the bus, you HAVE to trade him. this issue has ramifications that go well beyond Rick Nash... they'll end up with 9 Vaclav Prospals on their team every year.

Does it matter if the franchise player and team captain's agent threw the team under the bus (by listing the 5 teams) before the team threw the player under the bus?

And does it matter that the player with the no trade clause demanded a trade in the first place?

IMO . . . no trade clauses need to be renamed to something else. These aren't no trade clauses, they are player empowerment clauses and teams need to smarten up with them. Honestly, I think they need to be all or nothing - none of this "give us a list crap". Either you waive it or you don't. Depending on the circumstances, a team could desire to bend to the respect of the player, but that should be on a case-by-case basis.

Originally Posted by vannuxforlife

yep. And with Ballard hurt Gragnani will have an immediate impact too. Though if recent D acquisitions are any indication he's going to have a tough time with the system at first. That said I think the plan of Ballard-Tanev as the third pairing in the playoffs is still intact.

As for the trade, call it emotional attachment I suppose, with everyone talking about how this is a good but risky trade for both sides I have a hard time seeing that. I get adding grit to the 2nd line but ultimately the Canucks have been touting how scoring was the issue. Well, Hodgson has helped scoring and helped make a 2nd viable power play unit. Kassian meanwhile might have more upside long term for the team (ultimately where the hell was Hodgson going to be play behind Sedin and Kesler) but I think Vancouver actually shot itself in the foot a bit this season. Unless they somehow make Kassian work for them.

Look . . . I liked how "Silent G" took a step forward this year, but scoring was not and has not been an issue with the Canucks since his arrival. They scored the most goals in the NHL last season, and have the most this season as well. They basically altered their team from 3 scoring lines to 2 scoring lines, and two checking lines - a system that has been far more successful on the Stanley Cup stage in most recent years. Pahlsson anchors the new checking line, and more importantly, he's kept away from Detroit. Pahlsson knows how to shut-down the Twins in a Series - he's done it before.

Remember - Kassian has accomplished more at the AHL Level than Cody did, and he's a year younger at this point. And we've all heard how much of a learning curve it takes power forwards to develop. Listening to Gillis today, I get the feeling that Jordan Schroeder in Chicago also might have made this deal a little easier to swallow for the "future". So while I liked Hodgson, I certainly see Kassian as a rarer commodity in the NHL marketplace.

I didn't think Hodgson was getting moved and wonder if we had openly shopped him if we could've gotten a better deal. Further I'm surprised of the two blue chip prospects it wasn't Schneider that got traded but I think deep down Gillis still isn't sure what to do with him. Draft day deal most likely.

This deal does put a lot of pressure on Gillis in the off-season - especially if the Canucks don't win a Cup. If they win it, I think they can move Schneider for a more conservative long-term type package involving prospects and picks. If they don't, then no doubt he'll be used to acquire more "prime time" help. And I honestly believe that if they are on this list, they make a strong move for Rick Nash with Schneider being the one thing that other teams really don't have ready to offer.

Of course, I would offer Luongo first just to see if their stupid enough to bite that hook.