Thread: Flyers trolling Lightning.

Originally Posted by ->Raza<-

pointing out the obvious. Remember how ESPN decided to start cutting on NHL TV production that lead to the Versus contract?


I really don't know why I should hate USA. Do you see ghosts around you or somethin'?
America=more then USA btw.

Don't muddy the waters with other arguments, stick to the issues. You don't want teams to do whatever they need to do to be competetive because it's not pleasing/entertaining to you. That is your point, right?

And, thanks for the geography lesson.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

Don't muddy the waters with other arguments, stick to the issues. You don't want teams to do whatever they need to do to be competetive because it's not pleasing/entertaining to you. That is your point, right?

And, thanks for the geography lesson.

Coming from an person whoose arguments are based on J. Lemaires quotes and is a fan of th NJ Devils.

Whatever it's needed to win? I prefer hockey to chess. And none of the trapping teams has won a damn since the last Devils cup which was about a decade ago, during the time where interess in NHL hockey was dropping outside of Canada which led to the lockout.
Your average fan Joe still perfers watching exciting hockey. And I couldn't be happier that the two-line offside pass and hard obstructions were removed and the likes of Ovechkin, Crosby, Datsyuk.. can play speedy up and down game where they can show of their high end skills.

To the issue of the trap. Trapping a game from the first second of the game? Are you ****ing kidding me? If I watch hockey, I wanna see some hockey and not a chess like game.
No it isn't entertaining me, when 2/3 of a period are dump-ins, followed by clear attempts repeated till the horn sounds.
That isn't even competitivness - it's making the clock run without anything happening with the sole purpose to destroy any kind of game flow. I won't lie - I loved the fact that in the last two SC playoffs neither Tampa Bay or Montreal managed to get to the finals employing their variations of the neutral zone trap for almost their entire games.


And there is another issue I have with this. Namely, junior teams coaches are/will starting to apply these game structures to their teams which leads to games where kids pretty much are exposed to the games where the game isn't anymore about the passion to chase the puck and outscore the opponent and is becoming structure after structure. Is this good for kids development?

Anyway, I am glad you took the lesson like a sports.

I spent enough in this thread and my lunch time is over. Gonna pull a Milbury on the thread right about now:

Originally Posted by ->Raza<-

And there is another issue I have with this. Namely, junior teams coaches are/will starting to apply these game structures to their teams which leads to games where kids pretty much are exposed to the games where the game isn't anymore about the passion to chase the puck and outscore the opponent and is becoming structure after structure. Is this good for kids development?

Anyway, I am glad you took the lesson like a sports.

I spent enough in this thread and my lunch time is over. Gonna pull a Milbury on the thread right about now:

well, I sure am glad you watched the Kings postgame after Vancouver enough to crib Jim Fox's argument. And I am not really sure if I took the lesson like a 'sports' because I have no idea what that is. As far as all the rest of your arguments...watch the all-star game on a loop because that's a game with pure offense with the barest minimum of defense. And we all know how exciting and compelling those games are. And if those teams that trap are so inept then it should not be that hard to OUTWORK them and beat them. You seem to be suggesting that 'less-talented' teams should just 'ole' and get out of the way of the high powered offensive teams. You like goals...watch highlights...play Ea sports...hell, you are probably the one guy who watches the RED ZONE channel on NFL simply because you cannot be bothered to watch teams try to outwork/outthink a defense. Personally I prefer a more balanced game. European hockey might be more your style.

I think teams should be allowed to sit in their zone if they feel the opposing goalie is too good. Shooting on a guy with such large pads and who is so flexible is just too hard. Why even bother attacking? You'll score, what, 1 out of 10 times if you really try hard? Goalies are killing the game, and I respect Philly for showing that if you don't think you can succeed through hard work and practice, you should just not try. I'm sure there's a life lesson in there somewhere.

Thanks, Philly. You've opened my eyes.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

well, I sure am glad you watched the Kings postgame after Vancouver enough to crib Jim Fox's argument. And I am not really sure if I took the lesson like a 'sports' because I have no idea what that is. As far as all the rest of your arguments...watch the all-star game on a loop because that's a game with pure offense with the barest minimum of defense. And we all know how exciting and compelling those games are. And if those teams that trap are so inept then it should not be that hard to OUTWORK them and beat them. You seem to be suggesting that 'less-talented' teams should just 'ole' and get out of the way of the high powered offensive teams. You like goals...watch highlights...play Ea sports...hell, you are probably the one guy who watches the RED ZONE channel on NFL simply because you cannot be bothered to watch teams try to outwork/outthink a defense. Personally I prefer a more balanced game. European hockey might be more your style.

Well, sports - sportmanship waaah, in Edinburgh it was used mostly to acknowledge someone else.

Trap does NOT equal defense. Teams that don't trap still can be competitive and have good (GREAT) defense. Last year Bruins/Canucks didn't trap and the finals were awesome to watch. I will go further - The Kings don't trap and are rated high in every defensive category, last years neither SJ, DET, PHI or WSH trapped and still were better defensively.
And comparing All Star games to NHL games, LOL. I am not against defensive play. I am against bunkers that destroy any game flow. Who is more exciting to watch, the Devils/Lightning or the Bruins/Capitals/Canucks/Penguins? Seriously GTFO.

And stop making stuff up, Micky mouse. I am not against defensive play - I however prefer teams that play hockey, teams like in w. conference DET, SJ, VAN, LAK, ANA. Teams that fight for the puck possession.
Also using the TRAP is hardly a skillful thing. Every moronic coach can employ it and teams that trap don't exactly hustle or puck battle all that much. It's the cheapest/easiest way to play defensive.

And btw, European hockey is all about trapping... which is one of the main reason, hockey was having trouble gaining popularity. The 1-3-1 used by TBL was developed by Hardy Nilsson mid 90's when he coached Djurgården in the SWE elite league. Maybe you should gain knowledge before you somethin' propose that you have no knowledge about.
And since you gave me some proposals about what I should watch, feel free to accept my proposal to you and start watching chess, it might have more highlights than an average Devils/TBL game.

btw, enjoy 4 goals down:

awesome, kids already learning to play structures, rather than learn how to puck battle.

This ain't Edinburgh(funny, I would think you would know that, considering you like to give geography lessons). As far as everything else your resorting to name-calling(mickey mouse,calling me a joke) shows that you aren't really interested in actually discussing things Junior. And trapping is a form of defense...to suggest otherwise casts questions on who exactly should be educating themselves. Just because you find it boring does not dismiss it. And as far as Jim Fox's errrrrrrrr your point about teaching kids to play actual defense...well Heaven Forfend. Want to be offensive, play forward. Me I like my defensive players to primarily focus on playing defense. It's a matter of opinion. You must not be a fan of good goaltending either. After all, their sole purpose is to prevent goals and with the rare exception of a pass out of the zone leading to an assist they aren't very exciting.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

This ain't Edinburgh(funny, I would think you would know that, considering you like to give geography lessons). As far as everything else your resorting to name-calling(mickey mouse,calling me a joke) shows that you aren't really interested in actually discussing things Junior. And trapping is a form of defense...to suggest otherwise casts questions on who exactly should be educating themselves. Just because you find it boring does not dismiss it. And as far as Jim Fox's errrrrrrrr your point about teaching kids to play actual defense...well Heaven Forfend. Want to be offensive, play forward. Me I like my defensive players to primarily focus on playing defense. It's a matter of opinion. You must not be a fan of good goaltending either. After all, their sole purpose is to prevent goals and with the rare exception of a pass out of the zone leading to an assist they aren't very exciting.

It's still English. I haven't written in Russian Cyrilic.
Micky Mouse is a reference used for NJD since Gretzky called their org. Micky Mouse organization and you are a fan of it.
Again, defense and trap arent synonyms. Abandoning trap doesn't mean no more defensive hockey. It's just no more bunker hockey.
Sadly for you there are more people that want exciting hockey, hence why the 1-3-1 will be a fine part of the discussion on the GM meeting which I believe is next week. I have a right to side with Jim Fox as you have not to do so. And the whole juniors issue was also discussed on TSN and about a decade ago in the SWE eliteleague.

And you aren't smart enough to figure it out that forwards are the main part of a trap? And the forwards don't need to be good defensive players in a trap system. On the contrary, teams that don't have responsible forwards play the trap to hide the fact they can't forcheck or bakcheck. Forwards just have to clog the middle of the neutral zone and force opponents to the boards. Hardly a defensive skill standing in the middle.
I like good defensman and I love forwards that can play defensive like Datsyuk - players that bakcheck, forcheck, block shots and are willing to engage in board battles.
M. St Louis standing close to the red line as a "forchecker" while, one of his defensman is 5 feet ahead of his goaltender while Pronger has the puck 170 feet away from the opponents goal in a 0:0 game in the first 5 minutes of the game doesn't make neither a good defensive team neither does it make St Louis a good defensive player. It's just the cheapest way to make it boring jet close game.

Lol and why bring up goaltending? You butthurt or something? And goaltenders are quite exciting part of hockey, as is Doughty, Mitchell, Scuderi - the last two are defensive defensman playing defense on a high level (higher than your Devils and more so higher than Tampa Bays) and the Kings don't need to trap to achieve this.

Originally Posted by mugs

Yeah...why DID the ref blow the whistle?

He should have given the Flyers a delay of game, that is what they were doing.

No...you are right...I am not smart enough, and your Edinburgh slang should be universally understood. Butthurt? Seems to me that you are the one getting angry/frustrated and making this personal. How Flyer-like of you. Have a blessed day sunshine.

And it's one thing to agree with Jim Fox/TSN, it's another thing to present it as your original thought.