Thread: Heatley a Shark -done deal

Originally Posted by George Parros!!

Heatley should make sure he drives Blake to practice.

You know, as much as Blake isn't liked around here, those kinds of comments really are uncalled for.

Originally Posted by jt

The Sharks waiving Marleau would be as surprising to me as the Oilers trading Gretzky. It would be awful asset and cap management. Keep him or get him to waive his NTC clause. Waiving him would mean a $2.1M cap hit this year and next and they simply don't need to clear that much space. They just swapped $7.33M for $7.5M and can play the right guy in Cheechoo's spot...he's not a 3rd liner but not good enough to be a 2nd liner.

It would be a $2.1M Cap hit if they bought him out, which they can't.

If they waive him, he gets claimed by another team, and they are off the hook for all that salary. If he goes unclaimed, they can demote him to the minors and get back his entire cap hit. If they tried to recall him, someone would claim him for half his salary, and San Jose is on the hook for the other half.

Those bottom 2 lines are crap. Winning a Stanley Cup requires a 3rd line that can 1) Shutdown the opposing team and 2) Chip in some big playoff goals. They have neither, and no cap room to go get someone without moving Marleau somehow.

San jose has a decent at best blue line and okay goaltending...they won't be as good as last season
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HAHAHAHAHAHA.....

The Sharks are going to need a freaking cardiologist by the side of the rink considering the lack of heart between Heatley and Thornton.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.....

The coach is going to need to be an expert in the Heimlich manoeuvre considering all the choking that will be going on.

HAHAHAHAHAH.....

Their third line centre will need to be a radiologist considering the massive cancer they've just got.

HAHAHAHAHA....

And so on.

Originally Posted by jt

Agreed on the value, but their options were so limited what could they do? Compared to when Pitt traded Jagr to the Caps (for Kris Beech, Michal Sivek and Ross Lupaschuk), the Sens did fantastic.

Oh, I have no reason to believe that Murray made anything but the best deal that was available to him under the circumstances. Still, looking at what the Sens' roster looks like, with these new additions plugged in, I don't think it puts them anywhere close to compensating to the loss of Heatley with Cheechoo and Michalek. Sure, they also got Kovalev, and he's the wild card in this equation (empahasis on "wild"), but I just don't see them being anything but a mediocre eclectic bunch good enough to have a chance for the playoffs, but not really a team that will scare anybody.

As for the Sharks, I completely agree with you that while they should do fine in the regular season (if Wilson manages to ice a team with the money left under the cap), this is not a squad that looks like one capable of being a great playoff team.

Originally Posted by jt

Heatley-Thornton-Setoguchi
Marleau-Peverly-Clowe
Mitchell-Ortmeyer-Nichol
Shelley-McGinn-Staubitz
Bench: Hinote

Blake-Vlasic
Boyle-Murray
Huskins-Moore
Bench: scrub UFA

Nabokov
Greiss/UFA at league minimum

I'm sure you meant Pavelski in the #2 Center role.

Doug Wilson has completely decimated any depth the Sharks had beyond line and d-pairing #2.

Marleau for Frolov still makes a lot of sense for both sides.

Originally Posted by Blaked4

San Jose was the best in the Pacific before Heatley, now they are even better. If you figure the Sharks and the Ducks #1 and #2 can the Kings beat out Dallas for 3rd in the Pacific?
For the Play-offs, I see the top six #1 SJ, #2 Det, #3 Van, #4 Chi, #5 Cal, #6 Ana. This order can change but I'm pretty sure this will be the top 6. The 2 remaining spots are a fight between LA, Edm, Dal, Stl, Col and Min. Are the Kings better than these 6 teams?

I would make no assumptions at all about who will finish where. The Sens missed the playoffs just two years after losing in the Finals and they had a very solid team. I wouldn't assume ANY of those teams other than the Sharks and Wings will make the playoffs because there's that much uncertainty. If Quick ups his game just a little and TM takes the reigns off the offense like he says he will and Smyth and Williams add just a little offense, and the kids up their games just a little (all of which I think are VERY reasonable expectations), I see them in the playoffs competing with for 2nd in the Pacific. Sure, things may not work out that way, but I will be disappointed if the Kings fall flat - and I haven't said that for YEARS.

Originally Posted by Birdman

It would be a $2.1M Cap hit if they bought him out, which they can't.

If they waive him, he gets claimed by another team, and they are off the hook for all that salary. If he goes unclaimed, they can demote him to the minors and get back his entire cap hit. If they tried to recall him, someone would claim him for half his salary, and San Jose is on the hook for the other half.

Those bottom 2 lines are crap. Winning a Stanley Cup requires a 3rd line that can 1) Shutdown the opposing team and 2) Chip in some big playoff goals. They have neither, and no cap room to go get someone without moving Marleau somehow.

So he has an NMC, not NTC, eh? Ok then.

The Pens had neither 1 or 2, at least they had no history of it before last season. Alot of people get all excited about Staal but I think the Pens' bottom 6 isn't all that different than the Sharks'. Who would you rather have from the Pens (going into last season, not what they turned into during it)?

Originally Posted by Goallum

Oh, I have no reason to believe that Murray made anything but the best deal that was available to him under the circumstances. Still, looking at what the Sens' roster looks like, with these new additions plugged in, I don't think it puts them anywhere close to compensating to the loss of Heatley with Cheechoo and Michalek. Sure, they also got Kovalev, and he's the wild card in this equation (empahasis on "wild"), but I just don't see them being anything but a mediocre eclectic bunch good enough to have a chance for the playoffs, but not really a team that will scare anybody.

But don't you think moving Heatley is addition by subtraction to some extent? Sure, they lose some goals, but they gain alot of lockerroom cohesion and buy-in for Clouston. They finished with 83 points last season and I bet they do better next season.

As for the Sharks, I completely agree with you that while they should do fine in the regular season (if Wilson manages to ice a team with the money left under the cap), this is not a squad that looks like one capable of being a great playoff team.

The one caveat to this is that you just never ever know when the light will go on in some guy's head. If that somehow magically happens with Thornton, they could dominate in the playoffs. That said, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Originally Posted by Kubrick

I'm sure you meant Pavelski in the #2 Center role.

Doug Wilson has completely decimated any depth the Sharks had beyond line and d-pairing #2.

Marleau for Frolov still makes a lot of sense for both sides.

Uh, whoops...some guy just drafted him in my fantasy league so I had Peverly on the brain.

Originally Posted by jt

But don't you think moving Heatley is addition by subtraction to some extent? Sure, they lose some goals, but they gain alot of lockerroom cohesion and buy-in for Clouston. They finished with 83 points last season and I bet they do better next season.

Sure. I said they should fight for the playoffs, which means that they should be at least 10 points better. Still, I just don't see them being anything more than a decent, middle-of-the-road team.

Originally Posted by jt

The one caveat to this is that you just never ever know when the light will go on in some guy's head. If that somehow magically happens with Thornton, they could dominate in the playoffs. That said, I wouldn't hold my breath.

There would be greater chances of that if Wilson kept surrounding Thornton with character players. He's not doing it. Lombardi, on the other hand is bringing all such players he can get his hands on, so if there is a player in the Pacific that may be losing this stigma (deserved or not) this year, my bet is on Mr. Don't Take Ownership Of Having Compete. VVVVVVVVVV