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    Quote Originally Posted by AlleyAlBee View Post
    More I think about this trade, the less I like it. Frattin's 25 years old, not cost-controlled for all that much longer - how much more is he going to develop, and if he does, he's ready for his UFA contract at that point. And a likely mid-second rounder, at the other team's option as to which year?

    Crappy circumstances, just sucks that Bernier was groomed for seven years since the Kings drafted him, and that's what we got? May not have been all that much more on the table, but it's not a great day for the Kings' organization.
    Get used to it. The more talent the Kings have, the more talent will be moved for less value. That's the whole purpose of the Cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlleyAlBee View Post
    More I think about this trade, the less I like it. Frattin's 25 years old, not cost-controlled for all that much longer - how much more is he going to develop, and if he does, he's ready for his UFA contract at that point. And a likely mid-second rounder, at the other team's option as to which year?

    Crappy circumstances, just sucks that Bernier was groomed for seven years since the Kings drafted him, and that's what we got? May not have been all that much more on the table, but it's not a great day for the Kings' organization.
    i haven't seen a lot of Frattin, but from what i've seen, he reminds me of a young Dustin Brown.

    it reminds me of the Jack Johnson deal. you have to take into consideration not just the talent you give up, but the actual impact to the team.

    DL traded Johnson but he had Voynov to replace him and there was no drop off.

    DL trades Bernier who was only going to play 20 games for the Kings anyway, and picks up a guy that can play those 20 games with little drop off (if any) and gets a guy that will be a top-9 player for at least 2 years. plus he gets a 2nd round pick which in the past, DL has turned into guys like Voynov and Toffoli and Simmonds.

    i think it's a good day with potential to be a great day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleestak View Post
    I feel the same way. And if the shoe were on the other foot, so would all of us. The Leafs gave up nothing of real value, no top 6 players and no critical picks. If we pulled this kind of deal off for a potential franchise goaltender, we'd all be hiding out in case the cops came to arrest us for robbery.

    It remains to be seen if JB can carry a team into the playoffs and beyond. No easy feat. He certainly has credentials and is regarded enough to be put into that position.

    If he turns into the second coming of JQ, then we got hosed. If the Leafs continue to rotate netminders and don't make the playoffs, then it's a fair return.

    We didn't steal anything, we didn't rob anyone, we got a decent return. Much like a decent grade is a C, I am not about to anoint DL as GM of the year for this move, nor is anyone else in the league.
    Actually, this really makes no difference at all.

    Bernier was a back-up goalie here, and that's all he ever was going to be here, behind one of the best goaltenders in the league.

    If we forced him to play out his contract years here, he would have played one or two more years as a backup and then walked for nothing.

    So how the hell can you get "hosed" on a deal that you take a modest downgrade at one position (back-up goalie for back-up goalie) while addressing a need with upside (2nd/3rd line winger) and getting a 2nd round pick? You are right, it isn't "robbery", but I can't fathom how it could be looked at as anything but a win from the Kings perspective.

    How Bernier does in Toronto will determine whether it was a good deal for THEM. It is irrelevant to us, we've already won in this trade.

    Quite similar to Loktionov being dished really. It is irrelevant if he becomes a consistant 20-goal scorer in the league. He was never going to be anything here.
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    Default Jonathan Bernier traded to Toronto for Frattin, Scrivens, 2nd in 2014 or 2015

    DL got absolutely taken to the woodshed on this trade. TERRIBLE negotiating. Frattin??? Really? I would have taken season tickets to the Blue Jays in trade instead of Frattin. Toronto gave up NOTHING of true value. A 4th round depth guy who provides next to nothing, a goalie who barely qualifies as a backup and a 2nd rounder OF THEIR CHOICE on the year for a great goal tender who has potential to be a franchise goalie.......absurd.

    I find it impossible to believe this was the "best" deal out there with as many as 10 teams in need of a potential franchise goalie.

    If I was a Leafs fan, I would be LMAO right now @ the Kings front office.

    Either way good luck JB, hope you reach your potential in Toronto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gescom View Post
    i doesn't matter where they play... or where the left shot plays. they NEED a left shot up front.

    the Kings are not a team designed to attack off the rush, so handedness doesn't really need to correspond to position.
    Sounds like Lombardi is looking to add a bit of that attack off the rush with this deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt View Post
    With the $500k in cap space it's a little more than I figured because that cap space is SO valuable for the Kings right now. But even with that it's just not mid-1st round value, which was the only point I've been trying to make all along.
    i guess it depends on who would have been there in the mid-first round. he got his backup goalie, he improved the top-9, he got a 2nd round pick and he added $500K in cap space. a mid-first round pick likely wouldn't have done any of those things.

    where this team is, i think what DL got might be better for the next 1-2 years than a mid-first would have been.

    and remember, you have to pay those mid-first round picks some pretty good money, so even if they could step in and play, DL wouldn't have the cap space to play them. that all comes into play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt View Post
    Size counts and losing Penner's size matters.
    Does it tho?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlleyAlBee View Post
    More I think about this trade, the less I like it. Frattin's 25 years old, not cost-controlled for all that much longer - how much more is he going to develop, and if he does, he's ready for his UFA contract at that point. And a likely mid-second rounder, at the other team's option as to which year?

    Crappy circumstances, just sucks that Bernier was groomed for seven years since the Kings drafted him, and that's what we got? May not have been all that much more on the table, but it's not a great day for the Kings' organization.
    Then I'd suggest not thinking so much...it isn't doing you any good. J/K

    Joking aside, I think that you are not thinking enough of the REALITY of the situation.

    Also, for this not being "a great day for the organization": No...it's not a great day but it isn't bad at all. I'd call it an average day for a team that won a Cup in 2012 and got to the WCF in 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretzky99 View Post
    DL traded Johnson but he had Voynov to replace him and there was no drop off.
    So that's what they call a HUGE GAIN these days? A "No drop off"? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by grw80 View Post
    I find it impossible to believe this was the "best" deal out there with as many as 10 teams in need of a potential franchise goalie.
    So are you saying DL had a better deal on the table and turned it down to screw the Kings?

    Or are you saying DL is a bad GM and didn't do a good job in finding the best deal in order to screw the Kings?

    Quote Originally Posted by gretzky99 View Post
    i guess it depends on who would have been there in the mid-first round. he got his backup goalie, he improved the top-9, he got a 2nd round pick and he added $500K in cap space. a mid-first round pick likely wouldn't have done any of those things.

    where this team is, i think what DL got might be better for the next 1-2 years than a mid-first would have been.

    and remember, you have to pay those mid-first round picks some pretty good money, so even if they could step in and play, DL wouldn't have the cap space to play them. that all comes into play.
    Ok, so you're changing your position? That getting a 1st rounder wasn't even a good idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    Does it tho?
    I've been told a big Penner matters alot.

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