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    Disagree. If DL spends exactly to the cap (not considering the $500K) he still has $500K of flexibility. That space from Toronto should be considered the FIRST $500K he spends.
    That makes no sense. He only needs that cap space if he exceeds the standard cap. If he doesn't exceed it he didn't need it.
    Unless he uses it at the deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretzky99 View Post
    I agree he's not worth a first yet - I would say Frattin is definitely worth a second, though.
    I wouldn't say that at all. Guys like Frattin get traded for 4ths and 5ths - occassionally 2nds. Loktionov is a good example but there are many others.

    LeBrun said Lombardi did very well. I think it's a little difficult to judge the trade since there was only one pick and the cap space issue.
    I agree he did very well but there's a BIG caveat to that "under the circumstances". Bernier is an unproven backup and the goalie market, as always, is saturated. There's always more supply than demand.

    We won't really know until we see what Frattin and Scrivens do. But, IF Frattin plays top 9 and scores 15 goals and Scrivens plays 15-20 games and plays well, there can be no complaints.
    I agree...and I won't complain.

    I think it's a great trade for where the Kings are. They get a back up they don't have to spend anything on, a top 9 player that fits their style, a second round pick (that Lombardi loves) and enough cap space to potentially keep Scuderi.
    No way I'd call it "great". It was fair value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretzky99 View Post
    Unless he uses it at the deadline.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jt View Post
    That makes no sense. He only needs that cap space if he exceeds the standard cap. If he doesn't exceed it he didn't need it.
    A GM that spends all the way to the cap in the off season is a certifiable idiot. A reserve for emergencies and upgrades at the deadline must be maintained. With the $500K from TOR, DL can spend more and still maintain that reserve.

    Do you believe that if you have $500 in the bank and someone offers you a $5000 line of credit at 0% that does not have to ever repaid, that it's not of value? That's exactly what the cap space in the trade is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CUP4LA View Post
    We didn't trade the number 11 overall selection. We traded a backup goalie who has provided several years of service to the LA Kings.
    Thanks DL, but I think we got this covered.

    No need to muddy the waters even more.

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    Default Jonathan Bernier traded to Toronto for Frattin, Scrivens, 2nd in 2014 or 2015

    Just saw Melrose say the 2nd round pick is likely one to be traded instead of used. Since its not for this year that makes a lot of sense. I could see DL using that second to fill a hole at the deadline. Then we will have to add that player into the trade.

    There is no way to completely evaluate this trade. But it is clear that DL did well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagBone View Post
    A GM that spends all the way to the cap in the off season is a certifiable idiot. A reserve for emergencies and upgrades at the deadline must be maintained. With the $500K from TOR, DL can spend more and still maintain that reserve.
    That's not what I said. I never said offseason. I said that if he stays $500k or more below the cap all season, that $500k cap space is useless.

    Do you believe that if you have $500 in the bank and someone offers you a $5000 line of credit at 0% that does not have to ever repaid, that it's not of value? That's exactly what the cap space in the trade is.
    If I never use it it wasn't of any value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swany65 View Post
    There we go people. For those of you saying Read wasn't a fit because he was small. Or so and so had to big because he doesn't fit Kings style...blah blah. This is what the Kings need...speed. And I assume not soft means a bit of an edge , in which the Kings desperately need too. I haven't seen any of this Frattin (aside from his breakaway fail in game 7 against Boston that would have iced the game.) But the reason the Kings had such a horrendous time in the playoffs breaking out of their zone was because the opposing defenders weren't afraid of being burned with speed. Does lumbering Penner or Dwight King instill fear in opposing defenses?

    So I hope this acquisition works out. I still would have preferred Read but oh well. On the plus side for Bernier, he doesn't have to endure the Philly fans. They would have quickly turned on him after one year if he didn't produce a deep run in the playoffs.
    Agreed 100%. I've read through this entire thread and nary a mention of the fact that Lombardi targeted Frattin. I think that's a pretty important bit of info. There's a huge difference between getting the player you want as opposed to taking the best player offered. Read from the Flyers wasn't going to work for a number of reasons, whether it was style of play, size or his UFA status. If Read potted 20 in 2014, you think he would've had some sort of loyalty to the Kings after 1 season to go the Dustin Brown route and take a discount when he's been collecting a small salary his entire career and will be 28 when his contract expires? Yeah, not likely. Then you've got to re-up Dustin Brown and you certainly don't want Read's contract inflating Brown's. Frattin was the right move. Lombardi wanted Frattin and that to me, makes all of the difference.

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    there's no way that frattin is worth a 1st round pick even a late one.

    this trade is fine. i think the issue that folks might be having with this trade is that toronto didnt give up anything except depth. for fans who see the starter that jb could become, that's a tough pill to swallow. however, on this team, the kings are also only giving up depth.

    and if you think that it is easy to trade a goalie and get an exceptional knock your socks off deal, then you havent been paying attention to whats been going on in vancouver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D0wntime View Post
    there's no way that frattin is worth a 1st round pick even a late one.

    this trade is fine. i think the issue that folks might be having with this trade is that toronto didnt give up anything except depth. for fans who see the starter that jb could become, that's a tough pill to swallow. however, on this team, the kings are also only giving up depth.

    and if you think that it is easy to trade a goalie and get an exceptional knock your socks off deal, then you havent been paying attention to whats been going on in vancouver.
    I think a contract has a little to do with the Vancouver situation.

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