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Thread: Jonathan Bernier traded to Toronto, fights, pulls a Quick on a dump in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBK View Post
    I live in Montreal buddy and all my friends that cheer for the Maple Leafs are having fun with this. They feel they gave nothing. I just felt we could have gotten more than a guy that played for 25 games and a backup goalie.
    Your friends don't watch closely enough. I'm in T.O and it's a mixed bag as far as I can tell, but Frattin is going to score 25-30 in LA. Guy has great tools and has a high compete level, I think it was fair value considering the circumstances.
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    Okay...

    Fratting doesn't make the team out of training camp. “The issue was, in the week that he had with us, he didn’t demonstrate the things we thought were his strengths. If he’s not taking the body and skating, he’s not an effective player," said coach Carlysle.

    That doesn't sound like the "compete" player everyone is making him out to be.

    You can't find ONE Toronto fan that says "He's 1st line material" while every analyst is saying Bernier could be a "franchise goaltender"

    Scrivens is a UFA after next year.

    Toronto's 2nd round pick will be in the 55-61 range. Quick, in the last 10 years, of the 65 picks in the 55-61 range, how many have become "impact players" (besides Wayne Simmonds)?

    This deal sucks.

    Minnesota doesn't have a starting goaltender

    Flyers are now stuck with the weirdo whom his teammates hate

    Islanders are back to square one.

    I trust Lombardi and the Kings have a cup, but this is the same Lombardi that told us a) "Scott Parse is the 3rd best forward on the club" and b)"Thomas Hickey will pay off in the long run."

    If Frattin Fails at LW, the Kings are funked
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBGB View Post

    If Frattin Fails at LW, the Kings are funked
    Why? The LWs they currently have on the roster as 3&4 liners are already 'funked'
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    Quote Originally Posted by King'sPawn View Post
    ftfy
    I have more confidence in Quick than this new guy when it comes to handling the puck...and that's saying something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajuabju View Post
    Honestly, I feel like Bernier's reaction is very important to the Kings organization. Similar to what DL did with Gagne. Showing players he will work with them, when possible, to help them achieve their goals. I think it makes the Kings a much more attractive team for UFA's, etc.

    The change in the culture of the organization since DL came on board has changed 180 degrees. I think thats been his biggest contribution of all.
    He's a pro, and the Kings have felt like a professional oreguyniezaeshion since he's been at the helm. The teams are built appropriately and to the specifiations of a plan not just a bunch of guys thrown together for the least amount of money to tread water.
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    Personally, I just see Scrivens as a "stop-gap" goalie. I don't see him being here after his contract is up next year. I think Berube and/or Jones will prove they can be above average back ups making Scrivens expandable. It wouldn't really surprise me seeing him cut this year either. I would like to think that both Berube and Martin will get their chance during camp.

    Scrivens right now has the upper hand just because he has NHL experience, but if Jean-François or Martin light it up during camp, Sutter might pull the plug. He's shown confidence in the young kids (ex. Toffoli, Voynov, Muzzin) so it really wouldn't surprise me if we see Martin Jones in a Kings jersey more often maybe Berube will get a call.

    We need someone in the mold of Bernier. Someone that will neither win you nor lose you a game, someone that will give the 5 skaters a chance to win the game, and I'm not 100% sure Scrivens can do that. I don't know if he can pull 15-20 wins in a season.

    As for Frattin, I think he will be a solid 3rd liner. Someone that will score goals and take the body. I would expect 15+ goals from him, he has decent skill and speed.

    At the very least he's an upgrade over Richardson. I expect him to be way better though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBGB View Post
    If Frattin Fails at LW, the Kings are funked
    Going to resist going jt on the rest of your post, but c'mon.

    If Frattin is what makes or breaks the Kings next season, we're already funked.

    However, I'll take this opportunity to dub him MFMF in anticipation of him un-funking the Kings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBGB View Post
    Okay...

    Fratting doesn't make the team out of training camp. “The issue was, in the week that he had with us, he didn’t demonstrate the things we thought were his strengths. If he’s not taking the body and skating, he’s not an effective player," said coach Carlysle.

    That doesn't sound like the "compete" player everyone is making him out to be.

    You can't find ONE Toronto fan that says "He's 1st line material" while every analyst is saying Bernier could be a "franchise goaltender"

    Scrivens is a UFA after next year.

    Toronto's 2nd round pick will be in the 55-61 range. Quick, in the last 10 years, of the 65 picks in the 55-61 range, how many have become "impact players" (besides Wayne Simmonds)?

    This deal sucks.

    Minnesota doesn't have a starting goaltender

    Flyers are now stuck with the weirdo whom his teammates hate

    Islanders are back to square one.

    I trust Lombardi and the Kings have a cup, but this is the same Lombardi that told us a) "Scott Parse is the 3rd best forward on the club" and b)"Thomas Hickey will pay off in the long run."

    If Frattin Fails at LW, the Kings are funked
    Oh yeah, whatever will the Kings do if Frattin fails?

    Oh woe is them!

    Bernier was gonna do well no matter what team he went to.

    This was the best trade the Kings could do under the conditions, DQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimjim View Post
    Why? The LWs they currently have on the roster as 3&4 liners are already 'funked'
    Exactly. The Kings 2nd, 3rd and 4th line LWs all sucked last season and all the Kings did was get to the WCF. Imagine if there is modest improvement out of that group.

    As for Scrivens, he's a cheap bridge goaltender. He shouldn't be viewed as anything more than that. If he turns out well, then that's great. But you're not paying only 600k for a veteran goaltender to play backup to Quick. Every bit of cap space counts when you're attempting to bring Scuds back or maybe even signing Holloway, as mentioned in DL's conference call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolvie View Post
    Going to resist going jt on the rest of your post, but c'mon.

    If Frattin is what makes or breaks the Kings next season, we're already funked.

    However, I'll take this opportunity to dub him MFMF in anticipation of him un-funking the Kings.
    Shouldn't it be MMFF?
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