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Thread: Jonathan Bernier traded to Toronto, fights, pulls a Quick on a dump in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranma View Post
    Well, Schneider just got 9th overall from New Jersey when Edmonton offered 7th+ for him, so yeah, I don't think it was out of the realm of possibility that Dean could have gotten 7th overall for Bernier (and Alec Martinez possibly) since Bernier was arguably the best goaltender at the time with multiple teams in pursuit and no inkling to reasonably think Cory Schneider would be available later on. Even if Deano wasn't offered 7th overall at the time, it looks like he could have gotten it had he waited until the draft.
    Except if a trade doesn't get made at the draft then the Kings lose Bernier for a second round pick as a RFA. And contrast Dean vs Gillis. Dean said he'd move the guy and he did it. He found a good package that got us decent return with a pick, a 3rd liner, and a backup goalie (and more cap space) and he executed. Gillis hemmed and hawed his way to the 9th overall but the Canucks are still a mess. They still have Luongo's toxic contract which is likely to be bought out. They still are at the cap right now.

    And tossing Martinez into any deal yields about zero additional return. The guy is worth a 5-7 round pick at best. I'm still thinking the odds are greater than 50% that he doesn't even get a qualifying offer from the Kings.
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    Ranma seems like one of those guys on Ebay who's selling an item you want, but has a buy it now 50$ more than every auction goes for so you point it out to your friend and you both make fun of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Red View Post
    and when they lose, we all win
    Wouldn't it be great if the New Jersey twitter feed tweeted, "To the rest of the NHL, you're welcome."?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranma View Post
    To be fair, I do recall now Dean saying that he was disappointed that he had to give up Bernier for less than what he thought the return should have been. Supposedly the asking price was initially a first-round pick and young roster player. Even still, I can't help but share in the disappointment that we didn't get more towards what I feel would have been a fair return and, I'm sorry, I still think Dean could have gotten more had he waited until the draft to deal.
    i can't abide by that, necessarily. Toronto was probably the only team that would have been able to afford Roberto Luongo, so had Dean waited, who's to say Luongo isn't a Leaf right now, so Corey Schneider's deal never happens... and so on?

    as it stands, in addition to the return on the deal, they've already significantly impacted a (newly) Division rival, and we ain't even hit training camp yet.

    besides... Dean was kissing Uncle Lou's ass all night long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gescom View Post
    i can't abide by that, necessarily. Toronto was probably the only team that would have been able to afford Roberto Luongo, so had Dean waited, who's to say Luongo isn't a Leaf right now, so Corey Schneider's deal never happens... and so on?

    as it stands, in addition to the return on the deal, they've already significantly impacted a (newly) Division rival, and we ain't even hit training camp yet.

    besides... Dean was kissing Uncle Lou's ass all night long.
    Once Bernier was dealt, Schneider was the only show in town. Remember when I told you that Schneider would be dealt as soon as Gillis saw the return on Bernier? That was just a week ago, and I am confident that it was his plan all along.

    Schneider is rated higher than Bernier, and with a premium on the market, of course Vancouver was going to get a better return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiecat View Post
    And tossing Martinez into any deal yields about zero additional return. The guy is worth a 5-7 round pick at best. I'm still thinking the odds are greater than 50% that he doesn't even get a qualifying offer from the Kings.
    Jeez, one mediocre year coming off of injury in a lockout-shortened season and the guy hardly belongs in the NHL anymore?

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    His first NHL fight?
    RT @BuffaloSabres: Everyone is fighting... Miller and Bernier too... #sabres #leafs
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    Video of fight
    Fight Night in Toronto - TSN Video

    starts a 1:30
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovela View Post
    His first NHL fight?
    RT @BuffaloSabres: Everyone is fighting... Miller and Bernier too... #sabres #leafs
    Yup...he got a major...along with 27 other players. Cant wait for the YouTube vid of this.

    10:01 Buffalo John Scott: 2 minutes, instigator
    10:01 Toronto Phil Kessel: 2 minutes, slashing
    10:01 Toronto Jamie Devane: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Buffalo Corey Tropp: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Toronto Andrew Macwilliam: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Toronto Tyler Bozak: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Toronto David Clarkson: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Toronto Jonathan Bernier: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Toronto Tj Brennan: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Buffalo Brian Flynn: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Buffalo Michael Zigomanis: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Toronto David Clarkson: 10 minutes, leaving player's/penalty bench
    10:01 Buffalo Chad Ruhwedel: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Buffalo John Scott: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Buffalo Ryan Miller: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Buffalo Drew Bagnall: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Toronto Carter Ashton: 5 minutes, fighting
    10:01 Toronto Jonathan Bernier: 2 minutes, goalie leave crease
    10:01 Buffalo Ryan Miller: 2 minutes, goalie leave crease
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    Default Bernier fights Ryan Miller in BUF/TOR brawl

    Crazy all around.

    Happy to see Bernier's making an impression. This reminds me how he wanted to fight Crawford in last years WCF.

    Fight Night in Toronto - TSN Video

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