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    I have no problem with what Kessel did. You get a punk goon coming after you, you defend yourself the only way you can. Then you add a few slashes and a spear to tell him not to do it again. Anyone who's seen hockey from the early 90s or before has seen FAAAAR worse things than this. And why did players do it? Because they were protecting and policing themselves. If the league is gonna allow guys a foot taller to after guys a foot shorter...well, the short guy's gonna defend himself.

    If Scott doesn't want to get sticked don't be a punk goon and go after munchkins.
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    the only problem I have with Bernier is that he is fighting a goalie that is definitely past his prime. Miller has been out of the fight game for years and Bernier is an up and coming contender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jt View Post
    I have no problem with what Kessel did. You get a punk goon coming after you, you defend yourself the only way you can. Then you add a few slashes and a spear to tell him not to do it again. Anyone who's seen hockey from the early 90s or before has seen FAAAAR worse things than this. And why did players do it? Because they were protecting and policing themselves. If the league is gonna allow guys a foot taller to after guys a foot shorter...well, the short guy's gonna defend himself.

    If Scott doesn't want to get sticked don't be a punk goon and go after munchkins.
    I fail to see how what happened in the 90s is relevant here. Different era.

    To all the Kessel supporters: At what height of the opponent does it become worse for Kessel to do what he did? Is it still OK if the guy is only an inch taller? What if he's shorter but heavier? Is it cool if Kessel swings at his body? Arms? Head? The answer to the latter is obvious, but where's the line?

    The argument that you can use your stick as a weapon because someone is taller is asinine. That means Cammi has the freedom to swing away at anyone who's trying to fight him... even if the highest point he could reach is the other players shins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMonger View Post
    I fail to see how what happened in the 90s is relevant here. Different era.

    To all the Kessel supporters: At what height of the opponent does it become worse for Kessel to do what he did? Is it still OK if the guy is only an inch taller? What if he's shorter but heavier? Is it cool if Kessel swings at his body? Arms? Head? the answer to the latter is obvious, but where's the line?

    The argument that you can use your stick as a weapon because someone is taller is asinine. That means Cammi has the freedom to swing away at anyone who's trying to fight him... even if the highest point he could reach is the other players shins.
    Well said, I also fail to see how Kessel swinging away is going to deter Scott from going after him in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMonger View Post
    I fail to see how what happened in the 90s is relevant here. Different era.

    Is it still OK if the guy is only an inch taller? What if he's shorter but heavier?

    The argument that you can use your stick as a weapon because someone is taller is asinine.
    Some people of the opposite sex have considered my stick as a weapon but I do not believe I have ever gone after anyone that is taller than me or over 6'1. As I get older, I believe I am getting shorter but that might be because I am getting a little heavier.

    I definitely used my stick more in the 90's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMonger View Post
    I fail to see how what happened in the 90s is relevant here. Different era.

    To all the Kessel supporters: At what height of the opponent does it become worse for Kessel to do what he did? Is it still OK if the guy is only an inch taller? What if he's shorter but heavier? Is it cool if Kessel swings at his body? Arms? Head? The answer to the latter is obvious, but where's the line?

    The argument that you can use your stick as a weapon because someone is taller is asinine. That means Cammi has the freedom to swing away at anyone who's trying to fight him... even if the highest point he could reach is the other players shins.
    FishMonger, just curious, how tall and how heavy are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngelEyes View Post
    FishMonger, just curious, how tall and how heavy are you?
    This may very well be the most irrelevant question ever posed on this board. Nice.

    But because I see exactly where you're going with it, I'll answer:

    6'0" 205.

    And I'm not a professional hockey player, for the record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMonger View Post
    I fail to see how what happened in the 90s is relevant here. Different era.

    To all the Kessel supporters: At what height of the opponent does it become worse for Kessel to do what he did? Is it still OK if the guy is only an inch taller? What if he's shorter but heavier? Is it cool if Kessel swings at his body? Arms? Head? The answer to the latter is obvious, but where's the line?

    The argument that you can use your stick as a weapon because someone is taller is asinine. That means Cammi has the freedom to swing away at anyone who's trying to fight him... even if the highest point he could reach is the other players shins.
    You're obsessing over height, and it may be my fault for bringing up the 6'8" thing, but it's not as much his size as his size AND him being one of the best fighters in the league. Kessel probably doesn't react the same if it was Brian Boyle coming after him but might react the same if it was Tie Domi - who is shorter. It's about the type of player. It would be like Probert going after Kariya. And speaking of Probert we know what happened when someone took shots at Yzerman. Does it matter he used his fist rather than a stick? The message is the same, if a goon messes with a skill player there will be consequences. Scott knows this and was probably counting on it. Hell, as a result of this the Leafs are going to be without Clarkson for 10 games, Kessel for however many he gets, and they might have issues with moving players around/cap space from what I've read. The Sabres might lose Scott for a few games, big deal.

    (Watch how far Maguire slides after taking that shot by Probert. Ouch.)

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