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    Quote Originally Posted by KingFanMGM View Post
    Now you just have to worry if Quick and the Kings will even make the playoffs without Bernier getting them the clutch wins they needed over the past 3 years.
    Scrivens had a .910 S% and a 2.69GAA in the 20 games he played last season. Sure, Jon's numbers were better, but Scrivens is a $600K cap hit who isn't going to play more than that, barring injury to Quick.

    Sutter rides his starter HARD.
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    Default Jonathan Bernier traded to Toronto to Frattin, Scrivens, 2nd in 2014 or 2015

    Frattin uses his excellent shot to back defenders off down the wing and shows good hands when opportunities arise in close. Due to a quick, hard release he often catches goalies off guard. He has a squatty build at 6`1 and 206 pounds. He is not afraid to do the dirty work in the corners, but is at his best when posted up in the slot. His added strength over his four NCAA years has strengthened his skating ability. He’s extremely dangerous off the rush and can find ways to jump into open-ice; a snipers trademark.

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    OT: I know we like to keep topics together in one thread, but it's frustrating to have to wade through 55 pages of old rumors to get info on a trade. I would suggest that a big trade deserves it's own thread.
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    Haven't seen enough of Frattin so perhaps I shouldn't comment but I feel this is quite underwhelming.

    Would have much preferred a high pick in this draft and not in 14 or 15, and higher than a 2nd.

    Lets hope Frattin puts it all together and makes it worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CUP4LA View Post
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    So is Patrick Kane
    No he's not.....although he's not too far away from that.
    Give or take 1 inch and 5 pounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingFanMGM View Post
    Now you just have to worry if Quick and the Kings will even make the playoffs without Bernier getting them the clutch wins they needed over the past 3 years.
    LOL

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    Default Jonathan Bernier traded to Toronto to Frattin, Scrivens, 2nd in 2014 or 2015

    And from the Tor Hotstove 2013 Player Review;

    “Lite power-forward” Matt Frattin had an inauspicious start to his 2013 NHL campaign after getting cut from Maple Leafs out of training camp. This, after finishing the season with the Leafs last year and going on to lead the AHL in points and goals (10 in 13 games) in the playoffs prior to badly injuring his knee in while sliding into an empty net (ironically, in the process of scoring another goal). The coaching staff was less than impressed with his intensity during camp and the addition of JVR on the wing bumped Frattin from the lineup. He went back to the AHL and didn’t have a good start to his season there, either. Whether that was the product of sulking or a lack of Nazem Kadri as his center, it wasn’t working.

    As far as hockey players go, Matt Frattin checks the boxes I like to see in an NHL forward. I’ve liked his skillset from the first game he played as a Leaf (last game of the 2010-11 season) when he displayed NHL attributes not normally seen in a rookie. Good acceleration. Good top speed. Skates backwards well for a forward. Finishes his checks (hard, and with purpose). Skates to tough areas of the ice. Strong on his feet. Decent defensively. Big shot. Quick Release.

    That’s what I see when I watch him play, but he’s also been a frustrating player to watch for a variety of different reasons.

    After Joffrey Lupul broke his arm in the third game of the season against Pittsburgh, Frattin was called up and had an absolutely lights out start to the NHL season on a sheltered line with Nazem Kadri. 7 goals in 10 games had him looking like the player everyone has seen from a potential standpoint while he was tearing it up with the Marlies, where he clearly looked like an NHL player among AHL players.

    Kadri started the season red-hot and Frattin was equally as hot, piling up goals and points seemingly at will. After 10 games, it was revealed that he had cartilage build-up on his recently repaired MCL and had to undergo “clean up surgery” on his knee. As it goes with leg injuries and hockey, he came back to the Leafs looking like a different player, having lost some of the acceleration and top speed — as well as confidence — that a player like him really needs to provide secondary scoring at the NHL level. Not being able to keep his legs in shape and essentially being off them for three weeks can lose a player a half-stride here and there. Simply put, knee injuries are tough to bounce right back from.

    As Randy Carlyle said:

    “The issue was, in the week that he had with us, he didn’t demonstrate the things we thought were his strengths. If he’s not taking the body and skating, he’s not an effective player.”

    His injury and some poor puck luck, combined with wavering intensity and a reluctance to take the body, and voila – Frattin was a healthy scratch. Frattin sat in the press box for three games in early April and again for the final game of the regular season followed by game 1 of the playoffs.

    Curious lineup decisions aside, Frattin drew back in for Game #2 against Boston and immediately made an impact while being used as a decoy on the first line to gain Phil Kessel some time away from Zdeno Chara. Making a strong play setting up Lupul for the go-ahead goal, he played a role in the comeback in a series the Leafs were down 1-0 in.

    His lower body strength along with his quick release are the two things that standout as Frattin’s biggest attributes. You can see one of the two here with what was seemingly a dead play that he kept alive by pushing off his inside edges, fighting off Boychuk and sending across a great pass to Lupul.

    That, combined with more posts than you can count in the series, including one in the overtime of Game 4, shows that when the bit is between his teeth Frattin can be a hard player to contain. His playoff performances are certainly an indication of that.

    His inconsistency is something that is a glaring area in need of addressing. You have to wonder if that’s something that will ever correct itself, or if he is going to be a player who will always leave you wanting more. If he were to play to his potential most the time, Frattin would be a top 6 forward for the Leafs.

    As his season went, it was certainly and up and down rollercoaster ride for Frattin. Next fall, he’ll look to shake off an injury affected regular season and build off of his strong, if unlucky, playoff performance.

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    This is roughly what I expected in return for JB. They got a backup goalie, a good forward and a 2nd pick. Good job DL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeadInjury View Post
    Well, Bernier wants to be the man, and now he'll get his chance on hockey's biggest stage. Class act by DL not to trade him to Philly.

    The lack of a first rounder in return doesn't concern me. We need a player who can play now and got one. My understanding is Frattin can play either wing. Plus we get a backup without a long term commitment, which gives Jones another year to develop and leaves us with options after that. Plus a good draft pick down the line. Toronto fans are saying good things about Frattin, so I'm looking forward to seeing him play.

    Seems like a win-win.
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    Default Jonathan Bernier traded to Toronto for Frattin, Scrivens, 2nd in 2014 or 2015

    I would say a top 9, quality back up and a 2nd is a very good return.

    DL still has Martinez to move if he wants.
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