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Thread: Kovalchuk is a NJ Devil. Now, get over it already.

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    Brown, Fro and Hickey for Kovi and a pick

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    I get that Kovi is good, but right now he's just ahead of Malkin (tied with 31) and the Midget is only three back with 30. Leader has 44, Kopi 38. So all pretty close with the roller coaster that is the NHL, right?

    I mean Kopi could falter even more when Smyth comes back, who really knows? Anyways, ATL is in second in the Southeast behind WAS but if they were in the Pacific they'd be behind DAL, and we're practically clamoring to trade our captain for a player that may or may not work out. Right after a what, 7-0-1 streak?

    Ges said it about right, paraphrasing, if it's a purely "hockey" deal, apples for apples, then you do it every day.

    But there is no such thing.

    Until then, I'll be happy with whatever tricks DL and Co. have in store and start enjoying this ride. If DL thinks we should get Kovi, and we can, and DL is happy with the trade then I back him 100%. If DL surveys the situation and decides for whatever reason that it wouldn't work, then I back him 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gescom View Post
    i know this is ugly as well, but a lot of people have this misconception about what it means to be soft because they somehow equate hard hockey with being an overtly physical player.

    Dustin Brown IS a soft hockey player.


    Luc Robitaille is THE perfect hit home example... he probably threw about 8 checks in his career, but you do NOT score 668 goals in this league, especially with Luc's lack of overall talent, by being a soft player.
    The strongest evidence of this, in my opinion, is his unwillingness to fight for loose pucks. I feel like I rarely ever see him win those type of battles. He has been driving to the net off the wings recently, but I'd like to see him there even more than that. He won't need to try and pick a corner (or the goalie's chest) because he'll have a bunch of tap in opportunities. I just don't think he's willing to pay the price.

    Quote Originally Posted by gescom View Post
    what i agreed with really, was the overall concept of his being the only real person to at least pause about the idea, because i don't think it's as no-brainer as everyone there seemed to have.
    Fair enough, that's understandable. Maybe it's my disillusionment with Brown, but I have no problem giving him up for a dynamic player like Kovalchuk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg33 View Post
    Right.

    The 20-11-3 Los Angeles Kings are going to trade "anyone", and the team Captain.

    For an ******* (watch his demeanor towards his team mates on the bench). A puck hog, a real DL type player. And one that is likely considering going back to Russia next year if he doesn't get the money and the contender he wants.
    Let's be honest, Brown is a puck hog. Maybe bland and gescom are right and that it's because he's too coachable, but he does not use his teammates effectively at all. It probably does have a lot to do with Murray's "Shoot first, aim later" philosophy, but Brown shoots from everywhere and anywhere. He doesn't look to pass off to his teammates; he looks to fire it at the net. He may not be a puck hog in the traditional sense, but he is one when it comes down to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goallum View Post
    Kovalchuk takes games off?
    It's called PTO

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    Quote Originally Posted by vindogla View Post
    I get that Kovi is good, but right now he's just ahead of Malkin (tied with 31) and the Midget is only three back with 30. Leader has 44, Kopi 38. So all pretty close with the roller coaster that is the NHL, right?
    Try sorting points per game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJW View Post
    Stan Fischler also discussed today on NHL Live the possibility of a trade between LA and Atlanta.

    Did he mention any other names? Thx.

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    One reason I don't see them trading DB is because DB's contract is so attractive for the Kings. He's a steal. He's also the captain, and they give a lot of credit for the way this team has gelled together to his captaincy. They've spoken of it several times.

    Fro they would trade in a heartbeat.l

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giveittomodry View Post
    I like the way you think. However, why not include Bernier? He is only going to be backing up Quick the next 10 years. Unless there is an injury or something happens where he really outplays him, I just don't see Bernier really getting a shot here where his potential can be used. Even then, I have a feeling we have found our guy already. It's not that I think Bernier sucks or won't be good, it's just I think we have finally got a number one goalie we are happy with and still has a lot of upside.
    And you know for a fact that Quick is better than Bernier? I think it would be a HUGE mistake to give up on Bernier just yet. He is killing the AHL which we all know Quick didn't. Quick is good, but not great. What if Bernier is a generational goaltender?

    Wait on dealing Bernier until we know for certain Quick can beat him outright... If we can get Ilya with excluding Bernier that would be great. We can always add even more depth later once our goaltending situation is 100% cleared up and then you move one of them..

    But to sit here post Labs/Cloutier with our "we finally have a goalie" boner and say we're set is stupid...

    Frolov, Zatkoff, Tuebert, Moeller and some picks only if he's signed to an extension..

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    I don't believe for a second that DL would trade for Kovalchuk. He just isn't someone you win with. But just for fun...

    There are two potential types of trades: he has agreed to an extension...and he hasn't agreed.

    If he has agreed, Brown AND one other top young rostered player HAVE to be part of a deal. A guy like Johnson. If you won't trade either of those guys, Kovalchuk goes to another team. You can whine all you want about how you WANT to trade Moller and four used tampons for him, but that won't make the deal.

    If he has NOT agreed to a new deal, it's close to the Hossa deal but it would take more because Kovalchuk is younger, a more electric scorer, and a box office draw that Hossa isn't. I might want Hossa over Kovalchuk to win a Cup (his history of not winning one notwithstanding).

    Quote Originally Posted by Goallum View Post
    Kovalchuk takes games off?
    A buddy of mine in Atlanta says his real problem isn't that he takes games off, it's that he outright loses interest in hockey for stretches. It usually happens after January when the Thrashers have been eliminated but it's happened before then, and even the season they were competing so hard for the playoffs, he didn't work as hard as he should have.

    The risk you take with Kovalchuk is that you put SO many eggs in one basket and that basket hasn't proven he can lead his team ANYWHERE. The odds are that he's the next Pavel Bure and that's no compliment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogey View Post
    2/26/2008 Atlanta Thrashers traded Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito and a 1st-round selection in 2008.
    I'd say it would take a little more but if that's the model, the cost would be something like Brown, Moller, Teubert, and a 1st.

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