February 4th, 2010, 02:32 PM #2021
He apparently was offered $101 mil over 12 years or $70mil over 7 years to stay in Atlanta. What more does he want? Who is going to best that type of money?
February 4th, 2010, 02:35 PM #2022
This brings up one of the biggest issues in a trade like this. It's not just the value of the players traded, it's the value of the players already in the organization who will / are taking their place. For instance;
Originally Posted by RoyalJester
If, hypothetically speaking, the Kings were to trade Bernier, Johnson and Simmons for Kovalchuk, of course no one wants to do that. But frame it like this: it's not just Kovalchuk that the Kings are banking on, it's also Quick and Hickey as well as Kovalchuk who will be in those spots. Suddenly, not quite as bad of a trade
JB+JJ+WS > IK = true
JB+JJ+WS < JQ+TH+IK = very possibly true
or, based on what we (think we) know
Is (JJ+WS+Pick) > = < TH+IK+BS (Braden Schenn)
of course there are other factors; cap space, whether he resigns, ability to sign / retain free agents, system adaptability, etc. but for the purposes of this, just concentrate on the trade talks
Last edited by pepperdine; February 4th, 2010 at 02:50 PM.
February 4th, 2010, 02:36 PM #2023
Oh Yee of little faith, DL will make the right deal for Kovlachuck if it is to be done . After all King fans he got you all interested in this team right now due to what he has done since come on board . Heres my deal
They get fro,Jj,Hickey and a pick
February 4th, 2010, 02:41 PM #2024
Here's a thought: Oilers need to rebuild, and would presumably want good prospects/picks to help that rebuild. Atlanta wants roster players. Kings don't want to give up roster players, but would be willing to part with prospects/picks. How about a little menage a trois action?
February 4th, 2010, 02:52 PM #2025
Just to be sure...
Do you guys in the "Get rid of JJ to rent Kovalchuk" Camp realize that he is not only under contract for the insanely low cap hit of 1.425 per year this year and next, but that we still own his rights after next year (RFA)?
He is insanely inexpensive, has plenty of upside, and can not walk for nothing at the end of next year.
2-3 months of Kovalchuk is worth this?
February 4th, 2010, 02:52 PM #2026
You beat me to it. This is the only way a deal works with for Kings. We trade picks and prospects (maybe even with several teams) to teams looking to dump salary for roster players. We immediately ship those players to Atlanta for Kovy. If not for this, it better not happen. I would love the guy on the Kings, but not for any of our quality roster players.
Originally Posted by santiclaws
Ivan and Pick anyone?
February 4th, 2010, 02:56 PM #2027
Another "other factor" that you didn't mention is RETURN ON YOUR ASSETS.
Originally Posted by pepperdine
If you decide you want to trade Bernier, Johnson, and Simmonds, separately or in packages, you should get a whole hell of a lot more than a rental for ALL OF THEM.
February 4th, 2010, 02:59 PM #2028
I have to agree... If this multiple team trade went down I see prospects as well but I also see Fro packin his bags IMO..
Originally Posted by Dionnefan
February 4th, 2010, 03:17 PM #2029
It's clear that he just does not want to play in Atlanta. I bet he signs with someone else for significantly less than what was offered.
Originally Posted by chartist10
February 4th, 2010, 03:18 PM #2030
No it is not.
Originally Posted by USCKingsFan31