Thread: Kovalchuk is a NJ Devil. Now, get over it already.

He apparently was offered $101 mil over 12 years or $70mil over 7 years to stay in Atlanta. What more does he want? Who is going to best that type of money?

Originally Posted by RoyalJester

OK, who exactly on the Kings or in the farm is there to fill those places? I have heard that Hickey is going to be a great PP QB, but I am positive he lacks the size and grit to replace Johnson. Simmonds.... reminds me of a Tony Granato type player... he can score but does so much more and is ALWAYS on! Honestly, the only player I have seen on the Kings that was even close to Simmonds was Avery (enough on that one.)

This brings up one of the biggest issues in a trade like this. It's not just the value of the players traded, it's the value of the players already in the organization who will / are taking their place. For instance;

If, hypothetically speaking, the Kings were to trade Bernier, Johnson and Simmons for Kovalchuk, of course no one wants to do that. But frame it like this: it's not just Kovalchuk that the Kings are banking on, it's also Quick and Hickey as well as Kovalchuk who will be in those spots. Suddenly, not quite as bad of a trade

Written mathematically:

JB+JJ+WS > IK = true
JB+JJ+WS < JQ+TH+IK = very possibly true

or, based on what we (think we) know

Is (JJ+WS+Pick) > = < TH+IK+BS (Braden Schenn)

of course there are other factors; cap space, whether he resigns, ability to sign / retain free agents, system adaptability, etc. but for the purposes of this, just concentrate on the trade talks

Oh Yee of little faith, DL will make the right deal for Kovlachuck if it is to be done . After all King fans he got you all interested in this team right now due to what he has done since come on board . Heres my deal
They get fro,Jj,Hickey and a pick

Here's a thought: Oilers need to rebuild, and would presumably want good prospects/picks to help that rebuild. Atlanta wants roster players. Kings don't want to give up roster players, but would be willing to part with prospects/picks. How about a little menage a trois action?

Just to be sure...

Do you guys in the "Get rid of JJ to rent Kovalchuk" Camp realize that he is not only under contract for the insanely low cap hit of 1.425 per year this year and next, but that we still own his rights after next year (RFA)?

He is insanely inexpensive, has plenty of upside, and can not walk for nothing at the end of next year.

2-3 months of Kovalchuk is worth this?

Originally Posted by santiclaws

Here's a thought: Oilers need to rebuild, and would presumably want good prospects/picks to help that rebuild. Atlanta wants roster players. Kings don't want to give up roster players, but would be willing to part with prospects/picks. How about a little menage a trois action?

You beat me to it. This is the only way a deal works with for Kings. We trade picks and prospects (maybe even with several teams) to teams looking to dump salary for roster players. We immediately ship those players to Atlanta for Kovy. If not for this, it better not happen. I would love the guy on the Kings, but not for any of our quality roster players.

Ivan and Pick anyone?

Originally Posted by pepperdine

This brings up one of the biggest issues in a trade like this. It's not just the value of the players traded, it's the value of the players already in the organization who will / are taking their place. For instance;

If, hypothetically speaking, the Kings were to trade Bernier, Johnson and Simmons for Kovalchuk, of course no one wants to do that. But frame it like this: it's not just Kovalchuk that the Kings are banking on, it's also Quick and Hickey as well as Kovalchuk who will be in those spots. Suddenly, not quite as bad of a trade

Written mathematically:

JB+JJ+WS > IK = true
JB+JJ+WS < JQ+TH+IK = very possibly true

or, based on what we (think we) know

Is (JJ+WS+Pick) > = < TH+IK+BS (Braden Schenn)

of course there are other factors; cap space, whether he resigns, ability to sign / retain free agents, system adaptability, etc. but for the purposes of this, just concentrate on the trade talks

Another "other factor" that you didn't mention is RETURN ON YOUR ASSETS.

If you decide you want to trade Bernier, Johnson, and Simmonds, separately or in packages, you should get a whole hell of a lot more than a rental for ALL OF THEM.

Originally Posted by Dionnefan

You beat me to it. This is the only way a deal works with for Kings. We trade picks and prospects (maybe even with several teams) to teams looking to dump salary for roster players. We immediately ship those players to Atlanta for Kovy. If not for this, it better not happen. I would love the guy on the Kings, but not for any of our quality roster players.

Ivan and Pick anyone?

I have to agree... If this multiple team trade went down I see prospects as well but I also see Fro packin his bags IMO..

Originally Posted by chartist10

He apparently was offered $101 mil over 12 years or $70mil over 7 years to stay in Atlanta. What more does he want? Who is going to best that type of money?

It's clear that he just does not want to play in Atlanta. I bet he signs with someone else for significantly less than what was offered.