Thread: Kovalchuk is a NJ Devil. Now, get over it already.

Originally Posted by KingFanMGM

If it is a matter of losing a lot of roster spot players in the trade, then no way. However, if you only lose 1 or 2 roster players and perhaps another 1 or 2 prospects and some picks, then the trade makes up for it.

Generally in all NHL trades, the team that acquires the best player is considered to be the winner.

Look at the Thornton trade specifically. The Sharks were thought of giving up 3 very highly regarded young roster players, but one elite player trumps all that.

Brown + one other roster player can be replaced. The Kings fortunately now have the depth to be able to do that, whereas they did not have that depth in previous years.

Make no mistakes, Kovalchuk is an elite player.

On LGK especially, a lot of people try to nitpick other players that the Kings are "rumored" to be interested in in my opinion to justify why the Kings don't end up acquiring them. We're so programmed for let down that a lot of people seem to want to tear down that player's achievments and accomplishments and pretend they are something less than they actually are, so that we aren't as disappointed when the trade doesn't actually happen.

I couldn't agree more with this. Why in the hell would we NOT want a 40 goal/90pt player on this team?? We honestly think Kovy would be a step down for this team?? Like KingFanMGM mentioned, giving up a couple of roster players and a prospect or two (this wouldn't deplete our roster by any means) would be a win for the Kings hands down.

I heard the comments made on POWER PLAY but I believe they said that it was Jack Johnson that the Kings were shopping. This my first post by the way so hello all.

Kovi is on DL's radar, but I don't think he'd be willing to deal the farm to get him.

Everyone here is throwing trade proposals around and not thinking of the consequences. This recent string of injuries shows how little depth the Kings actually have. DL is a draft guy. He wants to draft a kid, keep him in the lower leagues as long as he can so he can develop into a beast and then move him to the next level. Trading away Brown, Johnson, Bernier, a first rounder and so on just to get Kovi is very short-sighted. DL is modeling the Kings after the Red Wings. I don't recall if they ever made a HUGE trade to get one guy. As far as I can remember, the players they won all the cups with were drafted or went there as a UFA. There were a few trades, but they weren't major like this one.

DL wants to develop a real farm system. He wants the kids down there to be chompin' at the bit to get to the big league. He won't trade all that you guys are flapping about because of this.

You guys are also forgetting that the Kings will be in a good position for UFAs in the summer. Players will want to come to LA to play with Kopitar and Doughty. If the Kings make it to the playoffs, and heaven forbid they get past the first round, they will have a whole slew of players wanting to come here.

Kovi is not the answer. A strong system with good drafting is.

Originally Posted by daxx1313

You guys are also forgetting that the Kings will be in a good position for UFAs in the summer. Players will want to come to LA to play with Kopitar and Doughty. If the Kings make it to the playoffs, and heaven forbid they get past the first round, they will have a whole slew of players wanting to come here.

Kovi is not the answer. A strong system with good drafting is.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you here.

1) UFA? You do know DL has a horrible track record in signing any top UFA right? How are we in a good position now in the UFA compared to this past summer when we had even more money? Hossa laughed in DL's face, he wouldn't take a chance on Gaborik whom is flat out amazing and tearing it up this year, etc.

So your statement on this to me doesn't really help any.

2) Kovi isn't the answer? Let's start with this. No ONE player is really the answer but Kovi is still very young and a top Superstar. Adding him makes us have 2 lines that need to be watched whereas we still only have 1 real top scoring line which makes it easier for teams to shut down. Look at Kopitar without Smyth. Yes we are still winning but when a superstar comes along and you have a chance at him, you take it. He may nopt be the ANSWER but it is a huge help which gets us to our ultimate goal. He definitely would help a ton more than hurt us by losing a couple players/prospects/picks.

And no it won't be giving up the farm like people think. I think IF it were to actually happen, people will be like "Oh ok. Not as bad as I thought.".

As for a strong system with good drafting. Well we have that for the most part. DL has drafted pretty darn good. Sure he may have missed some and a lot is still a wait and see, but just drafting won't help us win. You draft to get a good core and add some depth and then you go out and get a big gun or 2 and when a super big gun is available, then you go for it if you have the assets to where you can afford to give up to get and yes we are in that position now.

Let's look. Frolov likely won't be coming back. We need another top left wing and who better than Kovi. If JJ is part of the deal then we can use Frolov as trade bait for another d-man. Brown is expendable and yes he is a good player but I would rather give him up to get Kovi than Kopitar or Smyth.

So I am not knocking your opinion as this is my opinion as well but to me I disagree with those 2 statements of yours.

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Originally Posted by KingNewfie

Kovy will be a King. Somehow, someday, I truly believe he will.

Now we know it won't happen.

Don't you have to get back to your tin foil hat now?

Originally Posted by roenick

You do this by adding a veteran presence via trade (TK, Stillman, Halpern,Hartnell all qualify here).

I'm just getting started on the list, but the possible players that should be available between now and the deadline include:

Torres
Modin
Whitney
Cullen
Walker
Yelle
Lehtinen
Pisani
Comrie
Moore
Nolan
Sykora

I'm not sure anyone is saying to give up the farm for kovy. If we are talking brown, a young forward and a pick, then yes. Brown + Johnson plus picks is too much.

As far as whether Kovy gets us closer to a cup, I think if you look at cup winning teams they usually have at least one 40 goal guy. Pens had Malkin, Wings had Zetterberg and on and on. The Kings are scoring a lot of goals, but they will score 5 or 6 but then only get 1. It makes for a high total but they still have dry spells.
Kovy is not a bad defensive player. He's not great but he won't hurt you.

To say we shouldn't give up the farm makes sense...to say he wouldn't make the Kings better does not.

And as far as UFAs this offseason, there aren't many impact players available. After Kovy it's pretty short on goal scorers.

Originally Posted by Bojanglz

Sorry but I have to disagree with you here.

1) UFA? You do know DL has a horrible track record in signing any top UFA right? How are we in a good position now in the UFA compared to this past summer when we had even more money? Hossa laughed in DL's face, he wouldn't take a chance on Gaborik whom is flat out amazing and tearing it up this year, etc.

So your statement on this to me doesn't really help any.

2) Kovi isn't the answer? Let's start with this. No ONE player is really the answer but Kovi is still very young and a top Superstar. Adding him makes us have 2 lines that need to be watched whereas we still only have 1 real top scoring line which makes it easier for teams to shut down. Look at Kopitar without Smyth. Yes we are still winning but when a superstar comes along and you have a chance at him, you take it. He may nopt be the ANSWER but it is a huge help which gets us to our ultimate goal. He definitely would help a ton more than hurt us by losing a couple players/prospects/picks.

And no it won't be giving up the farm like people think. I think IF it were to actually happen, people will be like "Oh ok. Not as bad as I thought.".

As for a strong system with good drafting. Well we have that for the most part. DL has drafted pretty darn good. Sure he may have missed some and a lot is still a wait and see, but just drafting won't help us win. You draft to get a good core and add some depth and then you go out and get a big gun or 2 and when a super big gun is available, then you go for it if you have the assets to where you can afford to give up to get and yes we are in that position now.

Let's look. Frolov likely won't be coming back. We need another top left wing and who better than Kovi. If JJ is part of the deal then we can use Frolov as trade bait for another d-man. Brown is expendable and yes he is a good player but I would rather give him up to get Kovi than Kopitar or Smyth.

So I am not knocking your opinion as this is my opinion as well but to me I disagree with those 2 statements of yours.

Yeah, Gaborik is having a huge impact on a winning season for the Rangers. I still would have loved to have him, but the contract was too long.

Everything I hear indicates that Hossa seriously listened to the Kings offer, so I don't get where you are coming from when you say he laughed in DL's face.

Also the track record for signing UFAs that were intended to be fillers was indeed pretty sad, but how are the guys that Lombardi has given long term deals that are still around working out, you know Handzus and Scuderi. Um yeah, I thought so...

I still think that Marleau is in our future this off season, but I guess we will have to wait and see.