Thread: Kovalchuk is a NJ Devil. Now, get over it already.

Originally Posted by photomike

clean out the cupboard for a cup this year but ruin the depth for the next several years. NOPE...

Wait until the offseason if is still available and make yourself the highest bidder. We have the richest owner don't we?

There's a little thing called the cap standing in our way. Nevermind the fact that AEG has NEVER shown themselves to spend to the max, it doesn't make sense to blow a ton of cap space on a winger, even an elite one, given the plethora of young talent we already have and will need to pay to retain.

Two years from now, the highest paid players on the team should be Doughty and Kopitar. I would be shocked if that isn't the case.

Kovalchuk will make $8+/season...somewhere else and that team will not win a cup.

And to include Frolov I don't see happening. Simply because his reputation as a on one night off the next 10 player has caught up to him. To the best of my knowledge Fro didn't make his Russian team and as many of us here besides Frolovian, his worth is dropping...

Trade Fro for some picks if you have to, but don't count on many teams including Atlanta calling DL and asking for Fro...

Dean calls Waddell.

Waddell picks up the phone and says: "Doughty"

Originally Posted by jt

Not if you're Atlanta and you'll lose Frolov for nothing when he walks as a UFA because you won't pay him the 7 yr, $40M contract he demands.

A. Why would Frolov demand or get 7 million a year when players like Camalleri, Getzlaf, Zetterberg, Stastny, Kopitar Fetched under 7 million a year for example. Even your example Hossa isn't having a 7 million dollar a year cap hit. Frolov is coming off back to back lower scoring years and isn't going to fetch a paycheck that is top 20 in the league.

Originally Posted by jt

And don't think for a second that DL would trade Brown for a rental Kovalchuk...and don't think for a millisecond that DL is gonna trade for a signed Kovalchuk because there is no way in hell he's gonna blow 20% of his cap space on one f'n guy!!!

B. I see no reason DL wouldn't trade Brown for anyone if the deal was right. Hell I wouldn't be shocked if he traded Kopitar if the deal was right. He has stated that over and over for years.

C. If he can get him to sign a long term contract like all the other teams have been doing with a cap hit of around 5-7 is not out of the question. Yes Hossa's cap hit is at 5.23 million so i'm not crazy.

Originally Posted by jt

Now I suppose if he could figure out how to get them to trade him rental Kovalchuk for an elite prospect like Bernier along with a couple secondary prospects like Voynov, Moller, and Teubert...well, that's something he might do as long as he thinks leaders like Smyth, Scuderi, OD, Greene, and Handzus can keep Kovalchuk working hard.

How exactly would that make sense for the Kings ? DL would only make a trade that made sense as he has stated.

DL is not the management from the Past. We don't have to be on the losing side of trades every time. He definitely wouldn't trade the farm for a 30 game rental. He would trade players he didn't see being on the roster in the future though.

Originally Posted by jt

As I've said before, look at the Hossa deal as a baseline and upgrade the best prospect because Kovalchuk is so much more electric and would probably actually pay alot of his salary in ticket and merchandise sales.

Bernier > Armstrong
Moller = Christensen
Teubert = Esposito
'10 1st rounder = '08 1st rounder

You are basing things on the worst possible scenario not a baseline. A baseline would be what the median deal for a top player is. This is not the same at all. Heatley statistically,contract wise and every other way to be honest should be on par with Kovalchuck.


Your trade doesn't seem accurately analyzed or remotely dooable to say the least IMO. Money has to come off the books and your trade isn't going to do that. I don't see DL trading for a big name rental player. However, he has said in the past, if the right situation comes along he will pull the trigger. I think it should look like this in your player value scale. That being said that trade makes no sense from a kings stand point.

Bernier >>> Armstrong.. Bernier a potential 1A goaltender. Armstrong 3rd line winger
Moller >> Christensen ... Top 6 potential or at least top 9 and Christensen is a low end 3rd line or a decent 4th liner.
Teubert >/= Esposito although tuebert is rated higher by the scouts.
'10 1st rounder = '08 1st rounder = N/A because I don't really see him giving up a first with that many highly drafted players involved.

Depending if he is a rental or not will heavily influence what he can pull and what pieces need to be traded.

If you lay it out properly not lopsided as shown , whatever trade is made would involve this. Atlanta is going to have to take back some salary and will want to fill his spot somehow for the next season.
A combo of players or assets including someone with a non entry level contract would have to come back for 99% of the teams out there.

Originally Posted by moontheloon23

Dean calls Waddell.

Waddell picks up the phone and says: "Doughty"

Don't think so. Thrashers are not in the position of strength in this negotiation if talks are breaking down. There are no true secrets. There are always planted leaks. GMs know each other's business. However, Kovalchuk just finished building a $5 million house in Atlanta so he has financially demonstrated a commitment to staying.

Originally Posted by photomike

And to include Frolov I don't see happening. Simply because his reputation as a on one night off the next 10 player has caught up to him. To the best of my knowledge Fro didn't make his Russian team and as many of us here besides Frolovian, his worth is dropping...

Trade Fro for some picks if you have to, but don't count on many teams including Atlanta calling DL and asking for Fro...

don't let you distaste for Frolov deter you from reality. the rationale behind not wanting Alex as part of the return is far FAR simpler than that and has little to nothing doing about his "worth."

Originally Posted by VCRW

However, Kovalchuk just finished building a $5 million house in Atlanta so he has financially demonstrated a commitment to staying.

I doubt this is keeping Waddell warm at night. So Kovy'll sell his $5M house for $4.5M and build another $5M house wherever he lands next. Big deal.

Originally Posted by bubbaganoush

A. Why would Frolov demand or get 7 million a year when players like Camalleri, Getzlaf, Zetterberg, Stastny, Kopitar Fetched under 7 million a year for example. Even your example Hossa isn't having a 7 million dollar a year cap hit. Frolov is coming off back to back lower scoring years and isn't going to fetch a paycheck that is top 20 in the league.

I don't know, but nobody...not even JT said he would. 7 years at 40 million does not equal 7 million a year.

Kovalchuk for Azevedo, striaght up.

It's more realistic than most of the other garbage people have offered as "throw ins" for this deal.

not going to happen btw.....not going to happen.....