We've spent all this time building up the makings of what is supposed to be a consistent playoff team for the foreseeable future; why put so much on the line THIS season?
Kovalchuk won't be nearly as expensive if he is unsigned or doesn't have an agreement in place with a team at the time of the trade. You really are looking at a rental player and there is no way we give up more then Frolov, our first, and one midlevel prospect like Moeller or Voinov. Heck there is a good chance Atlanta will settle for less then that. More like a first, second, and a midlevel prospect if they can't get a deal done. Also I think we would trade Quick before we trade Bernier. He is the future goaltender for the franchise.
Wait, just reread the last two pages...
What i MEANT... is if i was looking to make a deal for Kovy, id include Schenn as a component in second.
I have ZERO interest in Kovy as a rental, that makes no sense whatsoever. Only way id support any package for "rent-an-Ilya" would be a couple picks, and maybe on of our depth d prospects.
But for a handshake deal where he was signable for just an arm (leg withheld) - Schenn is gone faster than a cupcake in Carnie Wilson's dressing room.
I think my mistake was putting my "damn guys overrate this Schenn kid" post in this Kovy thread...
Sorry for the confusion... onward!~
Last edited by bodycheck; January 9th, 2010 at 05:43 PM.
Are we really discussing whether Darren Dregger is a credible source?
Twitter = blogger
Dregger reported at the draft that Lombardi was shopping Visnovsky, which later happened.
That being said, he also had a few false reports.
-A current young top 6 forward (legit top 6 forward and NOT Frolov)
-A high/mid-to-high level top 6 forward (or perhaps a d-man) prospect about ready to play NHL minutes
-Another high/mid-to-high level prospect (e.g. Teubert)
Something else for those thinking about signing him long-term to consider. It has been mentioned several times by Waddell and the AJC that Kovalchuk is NOT interested in signing a front-loaded long-term contract, he is seeking the relatively same dollar amount each year over the duration of the contract. So no Hossa or Franzen type deals where he'll make $500k over the last two years to lower the cap hit. Whether that remains true by the time he finally signs somewhere, <shrug>.
Last edited by Iron Duke; January 9th, 2010 at 07:05 PM.
If you look at the players at the time the trade was made, there wasn't much difference between the Pens players and the Wings players. And it's going to be impossible to compare now because Esposito and Christensen have had so many injuries (which can't possibly be factored in while looking back in 20/20 hindsight).
I agree, although I do think this is the right year to make a move to help these guys go deeper in the playoffs than if they don't make a move. Whether that's Whitney or Stillman or Torres or Kovalchuk I don't know. But trading prospect assets to get the asset of going deep in the playoffs is worth it.Trading multiple prospects and picks for an expensive rental doesn't make sense to me considering we are still a year or two away from a legitimate cup run.
Second, only the most optimistic GM would trade the bird in the hand (Quick) instead of the bird in the bush (Bernier). It's one thing to trade Huet when you have an untested Price because at least they'd seen Price under pressure and could judge him against Huet. But trading a guy who was a complete flop in his only test in the NHL would be a very bad idea.
Third, because of the cap, teams who can't acquire signed players can acquire UFAs, so I'm not so sure UFAs have less value than signed players. I don't think a blanket statement can be made either way.