July 21st, 2009, 03:16 PM #21
Playing the devils advocate and knowing how LA hates opening the check book, if LA makes it to the second round this season, I hear mgmt saying that they don't want to change the chemistry and sign nobody else....Per DL, "These kids need to get better" will keep them from spending $7-10mil on any player.. But there is nothing wrong with hoping and my fingers are now crossed!
Originally Posted by santiclaws
July 21st, 2009, 03:35 PM #22
Very true but also think about how DL admitted to going after Hossa. We have all heard DL say things but then go and do the exact opposite of what he preached. Theres always of a possibility if DL thinks Kovi will fit well.
Originally Posted by hokyfann
July 21st, 2009, 03:39 PM #23
Once again, more breaking news from LGK. I am not trying to be mean, but this is old, old news. Kovulchuck has been talking about this for a year.
July 21st, 2009, 03:44 PM #24
There is a reason that hudler darted off to Dynamo moscow to play in the KHL for 2 million a year.
Originally Posted by Bojanglz
Detriot cannot afford to pay him 2 million, so there is no way in hell that they are gonna go anywhere near landing kovy.
unless kovy signs for 1M, then it could happen.
July 21st, 2009, 04:12 PM #25
Kovalchuk is my favorite player if he gets signed by the Kings next year I will be complete, so now im going to start praying for a miracle
July 21st, 2009, 04:17 PM #26
I think that many people are forgetting that with the addition of Ryan Smyth and the hopeful extension for Frolov, that we won;t have the salary cap room for Ilya
July 21st, 2009, 04:56 PM #27
The Kings would definitely have to dump some salary, but if the prize is Kovalchuk, they'd do it I imagine. If Frolov is signed.
Originally Posted by Obejuan
July 21st, 2009, 05:31 PM #28
True... If we sign Fro, forget about another big free agent such as Kovi.. Here is my problem (and I've said this before) I would HATE to lose Fro HOPING that we are going to land Kovi. When these top scores are available they want to play for a Det, NY, etc. I would love to have Kovi on our team more than any other player I can think of but i will be devasted this time next year we're saying "Alright guys we need a first line LW.....Again", if we lose Fro and miss out on the Kovlachek sweepstakes (IF it even happens)....
Originally Posted by Obejuan
July 21st, 2009, 05:37 PM #29
Handzus, Williams, Stoll and Smyth don't have to be resigned and can (might in the case of Smyth and Handzus) be traded before their contracts are up. Schenn, Lewis, Purcell, Simmonds and Moller are all cheaper option to replace them.
Originally Posted by Obejuan
If you can sign him for a cap hit around 8m then it's easily doable. A bit trickier at higher numbers but absolutely worth it.
Kovi(8-10)-Kopi(6.8)-Brown(3.175) = ~20-22m
Smyth(6.25)-Stoll(3.6)-Williams(3.5) = 13.5
Fro(5-6)-Handzus(4)-Simmonds(.822) = 9.822-10.822
Fourth Line = ~4m
22+13.5+10.822+4 = 47-50m for forwards with no trades
Doughty(3.475)-Greene(2.95) = 6.425
Scuderi(3.4)-Johnson(1.425) = 4.825
Hickey(1.3)-Blah(1) - 2.3
6.425+4.825+2.3 = 13.55
McCauley Buyout = .667
Maybe 3m for goalies. (Quick resigned ~2m + Bernier(.8) or Ersberg(.75))
47-50+13.55+.667+3 = 64-67
So, at 67m worst case scenario you have to shed salary. Let's say... 10m.
Stoll traded, replaced by Schenn or Loktionov. Save 2.5m (guessing... Schenn has yet to sign an ELC as far as I know)
Trade Williams, replace with Moller. Save 2.8m
Make every attempt to trade Smyth or Handzus. Smyth is replaced by a third line LW from one of the trades or minors, on the cheap, for a 4.5m savings or Handzus replaced by Lewis for 3.2m savings.
So far, that's 2.5+2.8+3.2 = 8.5m
If that's not enough to stay under the cap, you can save a little on the fourth line or you can try and move Scuderi (will he be movable?).
Assuming Frolov resigns, your last resort is to trade him.
That's without losing anyone I don't want to. The real point is, you sign Kovalchuk if you can and deal with it later.
I apologize in advance if I screwed up any math...
July 21st, 2009, 07:34 PM #30
there is nothing worse than wankers who state opinions (based on limited information or access), and pass them off as veritable testaments to substance (cbscores & bojangles & others).
you guys have no idea where kovi will end up. why on EARTH would we not have a shot at him? dean has spoken openly & frankly about his willingness to give up a big piece of the farm for "the right guy". (that was for you, bogey -- along with any other diffident-free LGK'ers). i'd say there's no more 'right guy' than kovalchuk. (does it bug anyone else when people say 'koe-vul-chook'?)
if you don't believe the kings have a shot, based on the fact that our playoff aspirations are misplaced. . .you are trippin'. we will -- provided we remain relatively healthy -- not only make the playoffs, but we should have the lineup (given a positive deadline acquisition or two) to do some damage. we have the potential to be a scary good team, if the kids continue to progress. . .something quite plausible, based on the solid leadership in the room.
and you know, even if we do NOT make the playoffs (which would be a shocker to everyone here, as well as every tangential NHL employee), we'd still have a shot at him -- perhaps even a better shot. why? cause DL would be gone, and his replacement would have a serious mandate, probably effectuating some serious (and burkesque significant/shameless) changes.
regardless, please can the 'there's no way this' and 'there's no way that' comments. you just don't know. none of us do. would it hurt, for once, to actually believe that the kings could be a formidable force in this league, and just may have a future hand in such dealings?
nobody is saying it's a done deal. and you know, you're probably right. . .based on our history, we'd all have to agree that landing a player of kovi's stature is unlikely at best. but to say it with such conviction is just silly; if we DO land him, those who made such pessimistic statements should be lined up and caned for their trouble.