Thread: Kyle Turris vs Phoenix Coyotes - News and Rumors

Originally Posted by Blueline

Bottom line, his salary demands for what he has done are so far off the mark that it isn't funny. Even with the trend of paying for potential, the salary demands are still way off the mark...he obviously thinks he's the next Crosby even though his play is not even close. Asking to be traded because they won't pay you what you think you are worth when all logic says otherwise just slots you into a player category that I want no part of.

I agree with you about not wanting to have the likes of Roy & Pronger's personalities on our team; I was merely pointing out that Kyle Turris could contribute on the ice. It also goes without saying that just because Kyle is forcing his way out of town doesn't necessarily mean he'll turn out to be a wife beater or adulterer or any other such scoundrel; it doesn't even make him a Yashin or Avery.

However, I have to take issue with your jumping to the conclusion that he "obviously" thinks he's the next Crosby. While I'm certain that he's confident in his skills, that doesn't necessarily mean that he thinks he's entitled to star treatment. There's been speculation about his supposed contract demands. Turris apparently quietly asked to be traded in the offseason through the internal channels of the organization and it is suspected that GM Don Maloney leaked the $3-4 million figure to have the media aid in his campaign to up the pressure. Whether or not Turris' agent actually asked for that has not been confirmed but it is widely believed that he will end up taking less money when he finally does sign. You have to think that he and his agent know this. In fact, they've said it's not about the money.

In playing devil's advocate, the question remains is why does Turris--a previously thought of "good kid"--and so many of his recent former teammates want out of Phoenix? I don't believe it's just because the Coyotes organization is going bankrupt at that location. What concerns me is that he supposedly doesn't get along with Dave Tippett, whom the majority of us want to eventually coach our team.

Originally Posted by Ranma

However, I have to take issue with your jumping to the conclusion that he "obviously" thinks he's the next Crosby. While I'm certain that he's confident in his skills, that doesn't necessarily mean that he thinks he's entitled to star treatment. There's been speculation about his supposed contract demands. Turris apparently quietly asked to be traded in the offseason through the internal channels of the organization and it is suspected that GM Don Maloney leaked the $3-4 million figure to have the media aid in his campaign to up the pressure. Whether or not Turris' agent actually asked for that has not been confirmed but it is widely believed that he will end up taking less money when he finally does sign. You have to think that he and his agent know this. In fact, they've said it's not about the money.

In playing devil's advocate, the question remains is why does Turris--a previously thought of "good kid"--and so many of his recent former teammates want out of Phoenix? I don't believe it's just because the Coyotes organization is going bankrupt at that location. What concerns me is that he supposedly doesn't get along with Dave Tippett, whom the majority of us want to eventually coach our team.

Asking for 4 mil a year when your production equals less than half that is where I get that he overvalues himself greatly. Yes his agent has said it isn't about money, but they have not denied the amount being publicly tossed about as thier demand. Tippett is hardly a Marc Crawford, I don't see how a kid who wants to play could have that much issue with Dave unless he's not doing what he's told and is tired of being called on it which is something Tippett will do. Either case, this doesn't seem like someone I want on the Kings.

Don't get me wrong. I'm among those of us who want Tippett back with the Kings, which further plays into my conflict about this whole situation. I just think that, depending on the price--both monetary and trade assets to be given up--I think he's worth taking a gamble on. Kind of like Patrick O' Sullivan, Turris would be a medium-risk, high-reward proposition. If he doesn't fit in with the club, we can always trade him away when there are usually a bunch of teams willing to take a chance on young unproven talent.

Do. Not. Want.

Originally Posted by Ranma

I've already admitted my bias towards Kyle Turris, but believe it or not, I am trying to look at this as objectively as I can rather than just go with my normal reflex of writing the kid off as just a greedy, snot-nosed prima donna. I didn't say that Turris' situation was exactly like Doughty or Smyth's but they were a lot closer than Avery, whom you were more ready to compare him to, which is what I object to. Even my Heatley comparison doesn't really apply since the kid is exercising his right as an RFA not to sign a contract with the team that owns his rights and sit out from playing in the NHL.

First, loathe as I am to use this point to defend such tactics, it must be said that just because a player asks out of his current team doesn't necessarily make that player an automatic detriment to his next team. Patrick Roy did it to Montreal as did Chris Pronger to Edmonton and, I believe, also to Hartford.

Secondly, who's to say that the Coyotes are not to blame here? The natural assumption and reaction is to automatically label a player who will not sign an extension that his team is offering as the culprit in these affairs. In most cases, that would be true and it remains to be seen who really is at fault here, but if you couple his previous scouting reports citing his high character along with what has happened in Phoenix recently, it'd be wise to not be so quick to give the team the benefit of the doubt.

Within the past five years, the following players asked for and got their tickets out of Phoenix:

Blake Wheeler (to Boston)
Peter Mueller (to Colorado)
Wojtek Wolski (to Rangers)
Viktor Tikhonov (to KHL)
Brett MacLean (to Columbus only to return to Phoenix via waivers)

It's not like the Coyotes set a good precedence for Turris not to ask for his way out. Also, why would so many notable prospects who presumably all want to play regularly in the NHL leave an organization that can supposedly give them the best opportunity to accomplish this in such a short span? Could this be indicative of some mismanagement from a professional hockey organization? Also, why did the line have to drawn specifically with Turris? Was he the straw that "broke the camel's back" or is he really the only prospect Phoenix deemed was worth fighting to keep?

There's quite the lengthy thread over at the HFboards providing materials for both sides of the argument if you're interested.

NOTE: These are my opinions

I firmly believe that being drafted is rather a privilige than a young players (prospect) right. I also believe that these young players/prospects have to earn their right to pick teams as free agents. How manny scouting and development hours went into getting a player like Turiss to NHL? And quite frankly this kid (that has the Aki Berg syndrom) doesn't deserve to pick his own team just jet. He has nothing to show for (other than big ego) to do so. Why should a GM Maloney(sp?) give away a prospect (they spent a lot of hours and money to develop) so the kid will feel better?

If tommorow Toffoli/Bernier decides that he wants out, how would you feel? You know how Lombardi felt regarding Holloway/Möller?


And lets see the players you mentioned:
Blake Wheeler (to Boston): Used a college loophole, got a contract offers from Phoenix but did wait a few months and became UFA (Tim Erixon this year had a simmilar situation with CGY but got dealt to NYR the last day he was in Flames property). He signed with the Bruins later. He was a headcase and got later dumped to Atlanta and now he plays for the Jets. He hasn't lived up to expectations and is a 3rd line player that isn't good in his own zone.

Peter Mueller (to Colorado): He had concussion problems, then the kid was rumored to want to quit hockey (his religion as a reason - Pierre McGuire)... He got traded to the Avs and had a nice stretch of games but got cuncussed again twice as a Avs player - the last time aginst the Kings in a preseason game I believe. He has PCS but I doub't he's gonna be an NHL player again. (MY!!! personal opinion: This kid is a quitter alla Daigle or (lesser degree) Paul Ranger that probably never wanted to be an NHL player in the first place)

Wojtek Wolski (to Rangers): Drafted by the Avs and traded to Phoenix in the Peter Mueller trade. Painfully inconsistant effort, a huge loafer with a really nice skill level that doesn't battle in games and is not good enough defensively to be a bottom 6 player. It seems like he will be traded/dumped again by the Rags.

Viktor Tikhonov (to KHL): Kid refuses to play in the minors. Not good enough for the NHL right now, tried to force a NHL spot the past two years rather than allow a proper development in the minors-AHL. He got the chance to make the Coyotes lineup (especially with Turris "holdout") this year and decided rather to go to KHL.

Brett MacLean (to Columbus only to return to Phoenix via waivers): Don't know his story but if you are waived by the worst NHL team it opens a lot of questions.

Twitter / Darren Dreger: The Kyle Turris saga is about to end. Turris is...

The Kyle Turris saga is about to end. Turris is and the Coyotes expected to announce a 2 year agreement this week. Trade still prime option.

Twitter / Darren Dreger: Turris believed to have had some offer sheet interest, but...

Turris believed to have had some offer sheet interest, but never materialized.

After all that, he's going back to Phoenix?

Originally Posted by adgy-san

After all that, he's going back to Phoenix?

It's basically a deal so that he can/will be traded. Low cap hit, only 2 years = low risk and manageable. Just in time for the Thanksgiving weekend mini trade frenzy.

Originally Posted by Fisticuffs82

It's basically a deal so that he can/will be traded. Low cap hit, only 2 years = low risk and manageable. Just in time for the Thanksgiving weekend mini trade frenzy.

With all of the hope Flames fans have built up getting Turris, I'd like to see Vancouver get him just to piss them off. Turris has definitely increased his trade value by signing if that is the plan. It would be a bit surprising if he stayed unless they all just kissed and made up but didn't report it.