Thread: An the most popular buyout on Capgeek.com is...[Roberto Luongo Thread]

Originally Posted by dgrycan

I said it when the contract happened - the Canucks had to pay Luongo for something he won in Vancouver that doesn't count in the NHL history books - the Gold Medal on home ice. Even though he wasn't spectacular, that was about as must win for the country as anything we've seen for some time and he got it done.

Amazing really that you predicted Luongo winning a Gold Medal in 2010 when he signed his contract in 2009. Who will win in 2014?

After reading a few of your Luongo posts my advice to you is stop talking about Roberto Luongo.

Originally Posted by bob8880

Lecalvier has either a NMC or NTC

The NMC was actually demanded by the other 29 GMs when they saw the deal.

Originally Posted by Drunken Crunker

Luongo wouldn't waive for either EDM or CLB imo.

I agree here, and I don't blame him. I'm kind of surprised the Red Wings weren't on his "I'll go here" list.

Originally Posted by gradin

It isn't interesting in the slightest. That would be an awful trade for Vancouver.

Nope. That would be a steal for the casucks, considering they're not going to get much in return for Luongo anyways.

Originally Posted by LOSTcauseZERO

Nope. That would be a steal for the casucks, considering they're not going to get much in return for Luongo anyways.

I think you are being slightly ignorant if you don't think the Canucks will get much for Luongo, but that is your choice. However, I'd rather get nothing that get saddled with Lecavalier's ridiculous deal. How do you think this deal would in any way help Vancouver? And before you even start typing, make sure you understand clearly how much Lecavalier's cap hit is. I can't wait...

I for one don't think Vancouver will get much for Luongo. Unless by much you mean an undesirable contract coming back their way.

Originally Posted by UnholyGoalie

I for one don't think Vancouver will get much for Luongo. Unless by much you mean an undesirable contract coming back their way.

Based on what exactly? Ask yourself what Philly had to pay Bryz this summer, and he's a guy who has done nothing of note other than get waived out of Anaheim. Luongo's cap hit isn't an issue and the last few years of his deal likely won't be either. He'll either be good enough to be a starter or retire with his boatload of money.

While it conceivable the Canucks take a contract back, it certainly doesn't mean it's undesirable. Lecavalier would be horrible and it won't happen, but a guy like Malone for example would be just fine. Except I think we'd still get more than that.

It may hurt many fans to hear this, but he is top 3 since the lockout in the NHL. Lots of guys with 1-2 good years, but nobody has excelled for the same duration. Imagine when Quick gets $6M+ this summer: OMG, WORST DEAL EVER!

Originally Posted by gradin

Based on what exactly? Ask yourself what Philly had to pay Bryz this summer, and he's a guy who has done nothing of note other than get waived out of Anaheim. Luongo's cap hit isn't an issue and the last few years of his deal likely won't be either. He'll either be good enough to be a starter or retire with his boatload of money.

While it conceivable the Canucks take a contract back, it certainly doesn't mean it's undesirable. Lecavalier would be horrible and it won't happen, but a guy like Malone for example would be just fine. Except I think we'd still get more than that.

It may hurt many fans to hear this, but he is top 3 since the lockout in the NHL. Lots of guys with 1-2 good years, but nobody has excelled for the same duration. Imagine when Quick gets $6M+ this summer: OMG, WORST DEAL EVER!

ask for Ryan Malone. Get the Luongo deal off of the books and use the cap space as an asset. Schneider looks ready for primetime.

Originally Posted by gradin

Based on what exactly? Ask yourself what Philly had to pay Bryz this summer, and he's a guy who has done nothing of note other than get waived out of Anaheim. Luongo's cap hit isn't an issue and the last few years of his deal likely won't be either. He'll either be good enough to be a starter or retire with his boatload of money.

While it conceivable the Canucks take a contract back, it certainly doesn't mean it's undesirable. Lecavalier would be horrible and it won't happen, but a guy like Malone for example would be just fine. Except I think we'd still get more than that.

It may hurt many fans to hear this, but he is top 3 since the lockout in the NHL. Lots of guys with 1-2 good years, but nobody has excelled for the same duration. Imagine when Quick gets $6M+ this summer: OMG, WORST DEAL EVER!

You're fooling yourself if you think Philly wouldn't like to take a mulligan on Bryz's contract and I said the day they announced it that it was a horrendous contract. And, btw, I think it was foolish for Burke to drop Bryz on the waiver wire. He could've gotten at least a 2nd rounder for him instead he got nothing.

Luongo's contract specs are very problematic (too much money for too long for a guy who's still not shown to be the answer for goaltending that a contender would want) but it's also the intangibles that make him an unattractive. His on ice demeanor can be rattled, his play swings from lights-out-money-goalie to couldn't-stop-a-beach-ball, the very public show of no confidence of being replaced by Schnieder not only in the playoffs but during the regular season as well and his now public request to be traded. In short, he's damaged goods tied to a $$$ long term contract. Not the easiest thing to pawn off on someone else.

It's certainly possible Gillis finds a dance partner but if you're expecting an elite player to be coming your way I think you're in for a let down. Any GM worth his salt would know that Gillis is in a bind and should use that to their advantage.

What did guys like Nabokov and Turco (and to a lesser extent Vokoun) command? Both Nabby and Turco had years of service as true #1's and as far as I can remember one couldn't get a sniff and went to Russia before begging to come back and the other has taken menial back up jobs. And they didn't have a $$$ long term contract ball and chain around their ankle.

As for Quick and his upcoming raise, Luongo is the exact player I point to and caution people about before handing Quick a 10 year, 7M per year deal.

Originally Posted by UnholyGoalie

You're fooling yourself if you think Philly wouldn't like to take a mulligan on Bryz's contract and I said the day they announced it that it was a horrendous contract. And, btw, I think it was foolish for Burke to drop Bryz on the waiver wire. He could've gotten at least a 2nd rounder for him instead he got nothing.

Luongo's contract specs are very problematic (too much money for too long for a guy who's still not shown to be the answer for goaltending that a contender would want) but it's also the intangibles that make him an unattractive. His on ice demeanor can be rattled, his play swings from lights-out-money-goalie to couldn't-stop-a-beach-ball, the very public show of no confidence of being replaced by Schnieder not only in the playoffs but during the regular season as well and his now public request to be traded. In short, he's damaged goods tied to a $$$ long term contract. Not the easiest thing to pawn off on someone else.

It's certainly possible Gillis finds a dance partner but if you're expecting an elite player to be coming your way I think you're in for a let down. Any GM worth his salt would know that Gillis is in a bind and should use that to their advantage.

What did guys like Nabokov and Turco (and to a lesser extent Vokoun) command? Both Nabby and Turco had years of service as true #1's and as far as I can remember one couldn't get a sniff and went to Russia before begging to come back and the other has taken menial back up jobs. And they didn't have a $$$ long term contract ball and chain around their ankle.

As for Quick and his upcoming raise, Luongo is the exact player I point to and caution people about before handing Quick a 10 year, 7M per year deal.

This is boring, you go from "not getting much for Luongo" to expecting "an elite player". This sounds like what you'd expect at HF, with people either thinking he is awesome or awful. Then a bunch of meaningless typing than smells a little of a mindless media type desperate to say something that might get some attention. Your drivel may convince a Luongo hater or the typical gas huffing Flames fan, but NHL GM's don't make decision on stupid little tidbits like "being pulled after two losses".

The writing has been on the wall all year, we have 2 great starting goalies and something was going to give this summer. That isn't a bind for Gillis, he will have more than one suitor. A bind is when you are stuck with an awful deal like Scott Gomez and can't trade him. Oh wait, he actually did get traded for a decent young dman.

BTW, Bryz wasn't traded because nobody would give up anything for him for several months. There really isn't a single comparison between the 2 other than being NHL goalies.