Thread: Osgood Retires.

Originally Posted by SmytheKing

You mean the year he went to the Islanders and they went from fifth in the division with 29 wins to 2nd and fifth in the conference with over 40? All because Milbury traded Chara away along with Bertuzzi and Luongo? That Islanders team? The one where he had a better statistical year than he did the previous year with the godly red wings? Or are you speaking of when he played his first full season with St. Louis and had a 2.24 GAA and a .910 save percentage?

Look, you want to say he's not a first ballot guy, or even that he should make it, fine. But don't pretend he was some POS goalie who lucked his way to 400 wins and three stanley cups.

You want stats? How about his .890 save% in the '04 playoffs? Not saying he was a POS but he was pretty mediocre. And sorry but you can't count 3 cups for him. One of them was won on the bench. Luongo could have won that cup too. Also, his '98 win was after giving up 3 center ice goals (one in overtime) in the playoffs on a team that was determined to win one for the injured Russians. Honestly, did he EVER strike fear in your heart? Did you ever once say, "We could win tonight, but damn they have Osgood"? Do you think he's more deserving of the other guys I listed? Does Dionne not belong in the Hall because he never won any cups? Wins and other stats are meaningless. I watched the guy play.

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Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti

You want stats? How about his .890 save% in the '04 playoffs? Not saying he was a POS but he was pretty mediocre. And sorry but you can't count 3 cups for him. One of them was won on the bench. Luongo could have won that cup too. Also, his '98 win was after giving up 3 center ice goals (one in overtime) in the playoffs on a team that was determined to win one for the injured Russians. Honestly, did he EVER strike fear in your heart? Did you ever once say, "We could win tonight, but damn they have Osgood"? Do you think he's more deserving of the other guys I listed? Does Dionne not belong in the Hall because he never won any cups? Wins and other stats are meaningless. I watched the guy play.

Fine. He won two cups then. He pretty much carried the Red Wings for the most part the year they beat Pittsburgh too. The year after that he played lights out in the playoffs as well. Was assumed he'd get the Conn Smythe if they beat Pittsburgh after not getting it the year before.

Strike fear? No. Outside of Patrick Roy and Martin Brodeur and Dominik Hasek, I can't think of any goalie that I was worried about the Kings playing. Did any of the guys you listed strike fear into your heart? Vernon? No. Richter? No. Barrasso? No. No. No. Just because you weren't terrified to play him, it doesn't mean he doesn't belong. Eddie Giacomin or Gerry Cheevers were super duper can't miss gotta be in the hall too? What individual trophy did Cheevers win by the way too?

Also, as far as bad goals and bad save percentages, you want to believe every goalie in the Hall of Fame didn't have those happen to them? Hasek had a nice playoffs in '94. Brodeur was incredible in '99. I really really really don't understand the hate that this guy gets.

Originally Posted by SmytheKing

Fine. He won two cups then. He pretty much carried the Red Wings for the most part the year they beat Pittsburgh too. The year after that he played lights out in the playoffs as well. Was assumed he'd get the Conn Smythe if they beat Pittsburgh after not getting it the year before.

Strike fear? No. Outside of Patrick Roy and Martin Brodeur and Dominik Hasek, I can't think of any goalie that I was worried about the Kings playing. Did any of the guys you listed strike fear into your heart? Vernon? No. Richter? No. Barrasso? No. No. No. Just because you weren't terrified to play him, it doesn't mean he doesn't belong. Eddie Giacomin or Gerry Cheevers were super duper can't miss gotta be in the hall too? What individual trophy did Cheevers win by the way too?

Also, as far as bad goals and bad save percentages, you want to believe every goalie in the Hall of Fame didn't have those happen to them? Hasek had a nice playoffs in '94. Brodeur was incredible in '99. I really really really don't understand the hate that this guy gets.

And I don't understand the love that he gets. Considering Zetterberg won the Conn Smythe, I'd hardly call Osgood as being the guy who carried the team in '08. And since you asked, yes some of those guys did strike fear. How about Richter in the '96 World Cup and '02 Olympics (I was cheering for Canada)? And I can imagine how Canucks fans felt when playing against him. Osgood was never even a consideration for 3rd stringer on Team Canada in any tournament. Vernon? Yes. Just go back to the old Smythe Division days. Joseph? Hell yes. These guys were all better goalies and it would be a complete sham to have Osgood in there before them. I actually looked forward to playing against him. Look, everyone recognizes that Roy and Brodeur were great goalies even if they were on great teams. There performances stood out and you could tell they were good and consistent. There's a reason no one puts Osgood in that category.

Originally Posted by SmytheKing

You mean the year he went to the Islanders and they went from fifth in the division with 29 wins to 2nd and fifth in the conference with over 40? All because Milbury traded Chara away along with Bertuzzi and Luongo? That Islanders team? The one where he had a better statistical year than he did the previous year with the godly red wings? Or are you speaking of when he played his first full season with St. Louis and had a 2.24 GAA and a .910 save percentage?

The Islanders team that added Yashin, Peca, Osgood and Peter Laviolette as Head Coach in the offseason? The Islanders team that was only able to acquire Osgood because Detroit went out and got Hasek instead of standing pat with their "future hall of famer"? The Islanders team that then traded him the next season for former Kings stand out Justin Mother****ing Papineau and a 2nd and a 3rd?

The 2001-2002 season where he ranked 9th in wins, 23rd in GAA and 13th in SV%?

The St. Louis Blues team with Chris Pronger that was 7th in the league in shots against per game and was just a hair over 4th?

The 2003-2004 season where Osgood was 9th in wins, 14th in GAA and 26th in SV%?

The 2003-2004 season where Dan Cloutier outranked him in almost every statistical category?


It's fun to say Osgood sucks and obviously he didn't suck... but while he was having himself a very good career on some very good Red Wings teams there were other goalies that were routinely outperforming him.

Other than 1996 I can't think of another season where he was even remotely close to being considered the "best goalie in the league".

We'll never know if he would have had the career he did had he not wound up in Detroit.... but he DID wind up in Detroit and it was during a period of time when Detroit was far and away the best franchise in the league and he played with a **** ton of legitimate bona fide first balot Hall of Famers.

No way in hell Chris Osgood gets inducted into the hall of fame.

Can we all agree he gets into the Hall of the Pretty Darn Good and call it a day ? He had a fine career. A career that no one should be ashamed of but he was not the best goalie of his era.

Originally Posted by SuperCalo2000

Can we all agree he gets into the Hall of the Pretty Darn Good and call it a day ? He had a fine career. A career that no one should be ashamed of but he was not the best goalie of his era.

Not even top 5.

I don't buy the whole "would you go with Osgood if you had one game to win it all" business. I value Cup wins, especially for goaltenders, more than any statistic you could throw out. It's a long grind, even for top seeded teams. Osgood proved his mettle in the most pressure-filled enviornment in the sport.

There aren't too many goalies that you could expect more out of if its a question of "if I had to pick a goalie for one playoff year..."

That being said, he's as much of a bubble selection as you may ever see.