# Thread: Question about the NHL standings

1. Originally Posted by Pucker25
You are comparing teams that haven't played the same amount of games, so in the MLB system, that brings the 1/2 game calculation into play.
In the NHL's points system, a regulation loss is equivalent to not playing. In MLB and the NBA, a loss has precisely the same detriment as a win has benefit.

To me, this is way more complicated than the points system in the NHL. So in the MLB, the standing would be:

Team A: 15-14
Team B: 16-17

Can you quickly tell me how many games back Team B is in the standings? Its not 1...
They are 1 game behind.

If team A is 10-13-3 and team B is 11-10-3, how many points is team A behind team B?
You would answer 2.
But if they win and become 11-13-3 while team B is still 11-10-3, are they equal in record? Or do you ignore the loss column?

2. Originally Posted by RSV
In the NHL's points system, a regulation loss is equivalent to not playing. In MLB and the NBA, a loss has precisely the same detriment as a win has benefit.

They are 1 game behind.

If team A is 10-13-3 and team B is 11-10-3, how many points is team A behind team B?
You would answer 2.
But if they win and become 11-13-3 while team B is still 11-10-3, are they equal in record? Or do you ignore the loss column?
I ignore it until the end of the season when it matters.

3. Originally Posted by RSV
In the NHL's points system, a regulation loss is equivalent to not playing. In MLB and the NBA, a loss has precisely the same detriment as a win has benefit.

They are 1 game behind.

If team A is 10-13-3 and team B is 11-10-3, how many points is team A behind team B?
You would answer 2.
But if they win and become 11-13-3 while team B is still 11-10-3, are they equal in record? Or do you ignore the loss column?
I don't ignore the loss column, but I also don't ignore the Games Played column. The baseball and basketball "games back" system assumes a .500 record to make up for a differential in games played. Whereas in hockey, the "points back" is an actual number. In hockey, the detriment to losing a game, is one less game to get points in. The systems are adequate for the sports that use them, but you can't discount games played in either one.

4. Originally Posted by Pucker25
I don't ignore the loss column, but I also don't ignore the Games Played column. The baseball and basketball "games back" system assumes a .500 record to make up for a differential in games played. Whereas in hockey, the "points back" is an actual number. In hockey, the detriment to losing a game, is one less game to get points in. The systems are adequate for the sports that use them, but you can't discount games played in either one.
That detriment of one less game remaining to get points in is not counted in the standings. Why is it advantageous to have regulation losses be equivalent to not playing?

Games back doesn't assume a .500 record to make up for a differential in games played. Games back is based on the number of games one team must lose and the number the other team must win for the teams to get to the same games above/below .500. Take 11-7-0 vs. 10-5-0. 11-7-0 is 1/2 game behind 10-5-0. If 11-7-0 wins one or 10-5-0 loses one, then they are tied relative to .500.

5. Because it's Can AAA diun.

6. all that matters is the points at the end of the season.

7. Originally Posted by RSV
What do you not like about it?
It's stupid and wrong.

8. Originally Posted by SmytheKing
I know you're just trolling here, but what advantage did Toronto gain by being 1st in the NHL after 8 games?
They actually affected their waiver pick up order adversely as of Nov 1 and screwed themselves out of a better draft pick.

9. That's why I say screw tradition and make every game worth 3 points.
You want tradition? Bring back the two-line pass.

10. Originally Posted by RSV
As a tie (or now an OTL) is the net equivalent of half a win and half a loss, winning percentage is simple to calculate in the NHL's points system. For this same reason, the NHL wouldn't be precluded from using a games behind or percentage system for sorting teams as is done in baseball & basketball.

Example: 14-4-2 = 30 points in 20 games
take the two ties/OTLs and make them each 1/2 win and 1/2 loss
Now you have 15-5-0, which also equals 30 points in 20 games
15-5-0 = .750 pct
15-5-0 = 30 points in 40 games which equals .750 points/winning percentage
it is not a half loss.

2 OTLs = 2 points = 1 win. so effectively, it'd be 15-4-0.

the league standing are determined by number of points... PERIOD!

the number of regulation wins will determine the seeding order.

14-4-2 = 30 points (14 ROW) - first place

14-4-2 = 30 points (12 ROW) - second place

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