Thread: Rob Blake Retiring

Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti

And that's where the myth is. Ticket prices are based on supply and demand. Most teams set their ticket prices before they even know what their payroll is going to be for that year. If it's based on salaries then ticket prices should go down when the team guts the roster. The Leafs have the highest prices in the NHL and look at their roster. Many have said that the owners only point to salaries as the reason so they can dump the blame on the players. Before the lockout, the Kings didn't want to pay players like Blake the amount he wanted because they knew they'd have to eat the money. This is why the previous system didn't work. They couldn't just simply hike up the ticket prices because then the fans wouldn't show up. Supply and demand is also the reason almost every team has built a new arena in the last 15 years. New arena = higher demand = higher ticket prices. Just using the Kings as an example, their ticket prices went up 18.8% when Staples Center opened. The Leafs? A whopping 64% when Air Canada Centre opened. Let's wait and see how much Chicago's prices go up next season.

They have a pretty good estimation of what the payroll is going to look like from season to season...just like we sit her and guesstimate, how much the kings have tied up in salary this year, and then project next year with raises or if players are added...im sure there are people in the front office that a bunch of different payroll charts, with estimated raises for players. Ticket prices could go up 2 years priors to a contract expiring so they can make the money to pay said player. Sure a lot of it is based on supply and demand, but not in the sense we all think...if that were the case games against the Pens, and Caps, and Wings would be more expensive than other games. So it's not a Vegas hotel room type of supply and demand, where the less rooms are available the more they cost. Now obviously if a team is winning there is going to be a higher demand then say if the team is lossing, and traditionally speaking a winning team usually has better players, which in turn, means higher payroll. Don't use the Rangers as an example, because Cable Vision has nothing better to do than throw money away.
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Originally Posted by eyesk8r

They have a pretty good estimation of what the payroll is going to look like from season to season...just like we sit her and guesstimate, how much the kings have tied up in salary this year, and then project next year with raises or if players are added...im sure there are people in the front office that a bunch of different payroll charts, with estimated raises for players. Ticket prices could go up 2 years priors to a contract expiring so they can make the money to pay said player. Sure a lot of it is based on supply and demand, but not in the sense we all think...if that were the case games against the Pens, and Caps, and Wings would be more expensive than other games. So it's not a Vegas hotel room type of supply and demand, where the less rooms are available the more they cost. Now obviously if a team is winning there is going to be a higher demand then say if the team is lossing, and traditionally speaking a winning team usually has better players, which in turn, means higher payroll. Don't use the Rangers as an example, because Cable Vision has nothing better to do than throw money away.
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That still doesn't explain why the Leafs consistently have the highest prices. Or why playoff tickets are more expensive than regular season tickets.

Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti

That still doesn't explain why the Leafs consistently have the highest prices. Or why playoff tickets are more expensive than regular season tickets.

Teams in Canada being compared to teams in the states, when it comes to ticket prices, is apples and oranges...sure it's supply and demand, but you can take the team with the worst attendance in the states, and move them to almost any hockey mad canadian city and they'll sell out every game. It doesn't matter how bad the Leafs are or what their payroll looks like, people in Toronto will go to games because that's what they do...it's more than just supporting their team, it's supporting their game, which to most in Canada is a religion. It is their countries pass time...what other professional sports are in Canada, hockey is always going to be a draw in Canada, ticket sales are always going to do well, and to top it off, Canada's economy has really solidified itself over the last 10 years...I went to a leafs game at the ACC in 2000 tickets were 80 dollars Canadian which was about 50 dollars American. Now that Canadas economy has strengthened and their dollar is close to our dollar, yes their ticket prices have gone through the roof...

playoff tickets are 100% supply and demand, they go up and up every round as the team wins you get a bigger following.
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Here's a direct quote from Rob Blake regarding the trade rumor to San Jose:

"He tried to trade me and I allowed it to go through if that’s what he wanted to do. I guess at the last minute they couldn’t get the deal worked out. I wasn’t going to stand in the way of anything they wanted to accomplish."

Also in regards to signing in San Jose:

"It’s not that I wanted to play someplace else, that was the only option I had. I wanted to keep playing in the NHL. I had some injuries that took awhile to heal and later on through the year you start feeling a little better. As I was overcoming those things I knew I wanted to continue my career in the NHL. It’s a dream to be able to do that, that’s how it’s unfolded even a couple more years past that."

http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/the-mayor/9905/

Originally Posted by jt

I'm not gonna argue all this again. I didn't re-post that for you or anyone else who's read it before, and you're entitled to rip it up to your heart's content.

But you confuse "bias" with "taking a position". A person can take a position without any bias at all. Go to court some day and see if judges do what you're doing - just because they take a side doesn't make them biased.

And just because a person goes straight down the middle doesn't make the person correct or even unbiased. Sometimes going down the middle isn't right.

That's all well and good, but the fact is you only represent one side of the whole situation. My point is just that the Kings weren't some poor helpless victims that Mr. Big Bad Blake steamrolled. Your post makes it seem as though Blake did everything wrong and the Kings did everything right, and that just isn't the case.

Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti

Here's a direct quote from Rob Blake regarding the trade rumor to San Jose:

"He tried to trade me and I allowed it to go through if that’s what he wanted to do. I guess at the last minute they couldn’t get the deal worked out. I wasn’t going to stand in the way of anything they wanted to accomplish."

the deal that was supposedly in place with San Jose was the year prior, when he refused to waive his NTC and gave that infamous "i want to finish what we started" or whatever line.

the 2008 deadline deal was going to send Rob to Colorado, but Dean balked because Colorado wasn't offering anything other than a 4th in addition to the first rounder... the Avalanche ended making THAT deal for Adam Foote.

Originally Posted by gescom

the deal that was supposedly in place with San Jose was the year prior, when he refused to waive his NTC and gave that infamous "i want to finish what we started" or whatever line.

the 2008 deadline deal was going to send Rob to Colorado, but Dean balked because Colorado wasn't offering anything other than a 4th in addition to the first rounder... the Avalanche ended making THAT deal for Adam Foote.

Either way, Blake didn't handcuff the Kings. They still could have gotten value for him instead of just letting him go in the summer. People act like he refused to waive his NTC just to spite the Kings. I really do believe Blake's intentions were to retire a King and patch the relationship with the fans. Two straight years of trying to trade him and then not giving him an offer on July 1st changed that.

And I like how Nabokov is a great goalie when this topic is brought up but read any thread about the Sharks and people are telling him to close his Nabgina.

Originally Posted by Salty Dog

That's all well and good, but the fact is you only represent one side of the whole situation.

I agree that I only represent one side and that's because I believe that side was right in what they did (which is FAR different than bias). There are other situations where I side with a player, and yet others where I go right down the middle (just like I've done when making decisions and rulings) - each situation is unique.

Despite how you've wrongly inferred from my post and mischaracterized it, I've never pretended that it's anything but something that explains why I believe what I believe. It's not supposed to be some omniscient expose on "The Rob Blake Situation" (Blake is supposed to do that "when the truth comes out."). Why you would think that something written by an internet message board poster is anything other than that is a little odd and you should know better. In over 10 years of posting here, I've always told people "Don't believe me - do your own research." The more my opinion hits home, the more important it is for people to do that and it applies more to the Blake stuff than probably anything else I post.

The bottom line is that everyone should take what any message board poster writes with a grain of salt and if they REALLY care about the topic, they should do some research and form their own opinions. I don't mind discussing the factual aspects of my post, but I won't argue the opinion with people I've already done that with. I've also come to the conclusion that some folks have got it in their heads that the Kings did certain things that I don't believe they did (like negotiate tough with all their players or underpay them). To the degree that that's opinion, I won't argue anymore with those I've already argued those points with. But if you want to discuss the factual aspects, that's fine.

Originally Posted by NastiMarvasti

Here's a direct quote from Rob Blake regarding the trade rumor to San Jose: "He tried to trade me and I allowed it to go through if that’s what he wanted to do. I guess at the last minute they couldn’t get the deal worked out. I wasn’t going to stand in the way of anything they wanted to accomplish." Also in regards to signing in San Jose: "It’s not that I wanted to play someplace else, that was the only option I had. I wanted to keep playing in the NHL. I had some injuries that took awhile to heal and later on through the year you start feeling a little better. As I was overcoming those things I knew I wanted to continue my career in the NHL. It’s a dream to be able to do that, that’s how it’s unfolded even a couple more years past that." http://hockeyindependent.com/blog/the-mayor/9905/

See, this statement right here pretty much summed up what I've been trying to say about Rob for the longest when he went to San Jose in 2008-2009. Thanks for posting this.