Thread: Shea Weber agrees to offer sheet with Philadelphia. 14 years/$110M. Predators Match!!

Originally Posted by KINGS17

I don't think they can since everyone agreed to accept the results of binding arbitration.

And I'm sure there's probably a provision in the ownership agreement that you agree to abide by the commissioner's rulings. Has any owner ever sued any league, other than Al Davis?

All I know is no matter how this turns out, it is time for a new GM in Nashville. He has made some really bad decisions. The Kostitsin bros, Radulov, Sutter, and now Weber which he knew was happening.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

Just so you guys don't think I needs to don the tinfoil...

Kovy's rejected contract



Weber's offer from Philly



overlay

The whole thing about the uproar over bogus years is that it's a moot point. In 6 or 7 seasons, when more than a few teams have seen one of these long terms contracts bite them in the ass and a whole lot of middle-of-the-road organizations have to spend a whole lot of money on fat guys playing golf four days a week just to remain on par with Philly or the Rags, we all know that the NHL will build some sort of clause into a CBA that allieviates the situation. And it may be 2 or 3 CBA's down the road.

There is no way in hell that the NHL has the balls or even a reason to stick to some outdated guns when it has premier organizations hamstrung by constraints that don't really need to be there in the first place. The salary cap isn't "real". It's just an excuse to keep poor franchises within potential reach of being relevant. The NHL knows that every year there will be 5 or 6 teams that aren't going to be competitive. They know it's never about just one season, its about the cycle in and out of contention every year that keeps fans involved. The low teams have the competitive chance of getting better over time - that's the reason for a weighted draft.

Pretty much every team operates within the same budget they would without the Cap. The Cap is supposed to be there in theory to keep the organizations with the deepest pockets from escalating salaries by competitively bidding he next richest team. But it doesn't work that way, and the Weber deal defines that. The wealthiest teams are all finding ways to outbid each other even within the cap system, and the poorest teams can't offer anything other than what was supposed to be the same contract. None of it matters. Philly can keep spending to the moon, and the NHL will always find a way to give them just the loopholes to do it.

Originally Posted by shoot2scor

All I know is no matter how this turns out, it is time for a new GM in Nashville. He has made some really bad decisions. The Kostitsin bros, Radulov, Sutter, and now Weber which he knew was happening.

You usually are pretty non-Home Ice brother, if you get my meaning. But this is about as poorly informed as I have seen. So, 2 MAJOR free agents have/will bail(ed) for pastures oh so much greener and a few risks have not panned out(risks necessitated by small market status and questionable desirability as a free agent location). Yet he continues to ice a perennial playoff team despite budget limitations and mixed results in the small market they are locked into. Sometimes players are going to leave regardless of what you offer. Sorry, no offense meant, but this is not your usual well informed post.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

The Devils were punished for pointing out flaws in the CBA. PERIOD. And yes, you can do a lot w/graphs, like the Bible they can be skewed to rationalize any argument. But the fact of the matter is that the Flyers used the blueprint that the NHL laid out...after the Kovy situation to get justupto the line.

I confess I don't know much about the Bible and I tend to avoid the topics of Religion and Politics. I also don't pay much attention to bad graphs because numbers can be manipulated. I see it everyday.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

The right thing to do, which will never happen, is for Bettman to forgive the forfeited pick. I'd imagine the Devils could maybe look into a lawsuit(someone who knows want to speak upon this???). Barring that, the Flyers should maybe hand a pick over to Lou for doing the pioneering. Really though...aside from that, isn't it just another poorly planned effort by the Flyers to go all in and fix everything at once w/ a bad contract?

I know you're just being humorous...When Lou publishes his book, I think he'll say he didn't want to do it, or that it wasn't his idea. I know Ilya is a great player but you gotta chew on that one for a long time. I'm so glad he's not a King!

Love that Lombardi was pro-active. As for Nashville, I don't know where they'll end up. They are at a cross roads. Steep price!



Say what you will, but that offer sheet that Philadelphia got Shea Webber to sign, and its structure, was pure evil. As a Devils' fan you should be able appreciate that!

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

: You can't overlay two graphs when the x-axis aren't to scale, it really skewes the data. Here's an accurate representation:



Picture is a bit different here. Whether it's different enough to change anyones mind I don't really care, it's just that the math nerd in me couldn't let inaccurate representation of data float around like that

If NSH matches, they can't trade him for 1 year. However, after that he has no NM/NT clause, so ostensibly he could end up in hockey hell (aka Columbus)

Analogy of what happened from another board I frequent:

Imagine 20 GMs hunting for a single deer. They're closing in on the target, moving silently with their rifles all scoped on the deer. Whoever gets the kill keeps the spoil.

Suddenly, Holmgren charges out with foam coming out of his mouth, running at the deer with a dull butter knife. Scares the **** out of the deer and the deer makes a run for it and is gone in no time.

This is exactly what happened.

Originally Posted by Drunken Crunker

Analogy of what happened from another board I frequent:

So, the deer is the NHL right?