Thread: Shea Weber agrees to offer sheet with Philadelphia. 14 years/$110M. Predators Match!!

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Originally Posted by jerseydevil

You usually are pretty non-Home Ice brother, if you get my meaning. But this is about as poorly informed as I have seen. So, 2 MAJOR free agents have/will bail(ed) for pastures oh so much greener and a few risks have not panned out(risks necessitated by small market status and questionable desirability as a free agent location). Yet he continues to ice a perennial playoff team despite budget limitations and mixed results in the small market they are locked into. Sometimes players are going to leave regardless of what you offer. Sorry, no offense meant, but this is not your usual well informed post.

Don't get me wrong, he's done very well there, and they always ice a competitive team, but if he loses both in a span of a week, and only gets back 4 1st round picks because of it, its time for a change and Poile needs to go.

He should have known that the chances of Suter leaving were there, and in a small market environment, you cannot lose an asset like that without getting something back in return.

Originally Posted by Birdman

Don't get me wrong, he's done very well there, and they always ice a competitive team, but if he loses both in a span of a week, and only gets back 4 1st round picks because of it, its time for a change and Poile needs to go.

He should have known that the chances of Suter leaving were there, and in a small market environment, you cannot lose an asset like that without getting something back in return.

And...if he trades him during a playoff run he faces backlash from that decision too. Didn't try hard enough, conceded, etc. And how much bigger than 4 1st round draft picks was he going to get for a rental? I have to figure not too much. Maybe a blue chipper that prolly would have bailed at the end of term anyway...
It's a Kobiyashi Meru deal...no way to win. Poile has done a remarkable job under way more difficult restraints than most GMs face. To toss him on account of what I perceive to be an uncontrollable situation is overreacting. You really want to get an idea of just how good he has been...look @ Columbus. A mirror image as far as financials/small market/etc, and the two are miles apart. I just don't see the point of adding insult to injury by getting rid of a really good Gm on top of losing major players.

How can Nashville not sign him? According to capgeek, they are at $40.8 million with only 18 NHL contracts. The salary cap floor is $54.3 mil.

6 contracts to sign/promote and 13.5 mil to spend just to hit the floor. Not much quality UFA left out there. My bet is Nashville will match just so they can hit the salary cap floor.

What happens if Nash doesn't match, Weber goes to Philly, and Nash doesn't reach the salary cap floor?

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

look @ Columbus. A mirror image as far as financials/small market/etc, and the two are miles apart. I just don't see the point of adding insult to injury by getting rid of a really good Gm on top of losing major players.

I think Columbus is in a much better position, actually, as far as a built-in hockey audience. Ohio gets actual snow and stuff, and Miami of Ohio has a solid Division I hockey program with good attendance. In any case, I think Nashville will match. How much were they going to pay Weber and for how long if they signed him to a long term deal without an offer sheet? Less than the $7.8M offer sheet cap hit? If so, not by much. His cap hit last season was $7.5M. If they don't match, they have to rebuild, basically, having lost Suter and Weber. I think they have no real choice but to match at this point. And for all the "Weber wants out" talk I think he and his agent had to know that there's a very, very good chance the Preds will match and he will be in Nashville for the rest of his career. He just saved himself the headache of a lengthy negotiation.

Originally Posted by santiclaws

I think Columbus is in a much better position, actually, as far as a built-in hockey audience. Ohio gets actual snow and stuff, and Miami of Ohio has a solid Division I hockey program with good attendance. In any case, I think Nashville will match. How much were they going to pay Weber and for how long if they signed him to a long term deal without an offer sheet? Less than the $7.8M offer sheet cap hit? If so, not by much. His cap hit last season was $7.5M. If they don't match, they have to rebuild, basically, having lost Suter and Weber. I think they have no real choice but to match at this point. And for all the "Weber wants out" talk I think he and his agent had to know that there's a very, very good chance the Preds will match and he will be in Nashville for the rest of his career. He just saved himself the headache of a lengthy negotiation.

well then you make even more of a pro-Poile argument. Howson has really mismanaged that team. Think about all the high draft picks...you almost have to succeed by accident at some point. I just don't get the anti-Poile sentiment. Most GMs have their good/bad ledgers and if you honestly look at Nashville's record you can only judge it one way.

As far as keeping him, the Flyers did Poile a favor arguably by giving Nashville an opportunity to sign their captain long term. The numbers aren't great but everywhere you look it would seem that Nashville could conceivably get it done. Whether he is going to be a sulky sally is another thing entirely.

there is no way any of the Nashville management is/should be on the firing line.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

well then you make even more of a pro-Poile argument.

I love it when a plan comes together.

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

Originally Posted by shoot2scor

All I know is no matter how this turns out, it is time for a new GM in Nashville. He has made some really bad decisions. The Kostitsin bros, Radulov, Sutter, and now Weber which he knew was happening.

You usually are pretty non-Home Ice brother, if you get my meaning. But this is about as poorly informed as I have seen. So, 2 MAJOR free agents have/will bail(ed) for pastures oh so much greener and a few risks have not panned out(risks necessitated by small market status and questionable desirability as a free agent location). Yet he continues to ice a perennial playoff team despite budget limitations and mixed results in the small market they are locked into. Sometimes players are going to leave regardless of what you offer. Sorry, no offense meant, but this is not your usual well informed post.

Fair assessment on your part. You are only as good as your last day. He never should have brought back Radulov, he never should have combined the Kostitsin bros, and he never should have let Weber get an offer sheet. The writing was on the wall since last year for crying out loud.

Now, I didn't even include Suter. I see 4 straight gambles that failed. Last year was Nashville's closest attempt at making a run, and IMO the Russian connection was the downfall.

I give credit to Him but more to Trotz. Let's also not forget that one of the main reasons the Preds were a playoff team the last few years was from Suter and Weber. With both of them gone, we are going to see a completely different Nashville team, and all they would have received for 2 marquee defensmen is 4 1st rounders. That is horrible asset management. And I go back to last year with his "gambles."

I am sorry 4 straight gambles failing hard, not a good sign, and he has clearly lost control. As you said, sometimes free agents leave so I don't blame him on the Suter decision, but the other 3 just were not smart.

Sadly his smart move now is probably taking the 4 1st rounders and moving on.