Shea Weber and the Arbitration

**jammer06** · August 3rd, 2011, 01:01 PM

Seriously though what the hell is the point of offering 4.75 million. That's a lowball number and everyone knows it. Basically at that point you're saying ok Mr Arb, we don't think there's any chance your coming within 50% of our number so go nuts.

**SmytheKing** · August 3rd, 2011, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by jammer06

Seriously though what the hell is the point of offering 4.75 million. That's a lowball number and everyone knows it. Basically at that point you're saying ok Mr Arb, we don't think there's any chance your coming within 50% of our number so go nuts.

It's the same as asking for 8.5 million. They present their reasons why, and they make an offer. If I remember correctly, Cammalleri asked for 6 million a year or so and the Kings offered like 2.5. That's just how it works.

**jammer06** · August 3rd, 2011, 01:09 PM

Was there ever an arbiter that agreed though? I mean that would at least give the team some hope. Otherwise it's just embarassing. I mean professionally if the numbers are that far apart when I go into a negotiation (a serious one) I'm not getting the client, or if they lowball that hard, I don't want the job.

**SmytheKing** · August 3rd, 2011, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by jammer06

Was there ever an arbiter that agreed though? I mean that would at least give the team some hope. Otherwise it's just embarassing. I mean professionally if the numbers are that far apart when I go into a negotiation (a serious one) I'm not getting the client, or if they lowball that hard, I don't want the job.

If you're a business (and both parties here are), each side wants the lowest/highest they can get. Weber knew he wasn't going to get 4.5 a year as much as he knew he wasn't getting 8.5 a year. It isn't good for either party though and it's why you don't often see it with big wigs. It's really why Parise got the deal he did. So both sides weren't bitter at the end.

**SuperCalo2000** · August 3rd, 2011, 01:17 PM

Can we start the Jack Johnson for Shea Weber rumors now ?

**DMAN3474** · August 3rd, 2011, 01:21 PM

7.5 mil, damn...

**Iron Duke** · August 3rd, 2011, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by jammer06

Was there ever an arbiter that agreed though? I mean that would at least give the team some hope. Otherwise it's just embarassing. I mean professionally if the numbers are that far apart when I go into a negotiation (a serious one) I'm not getting the client, or if they lowball that hard, I don't want the job.

As Smythe points out, it's all just part of the process. The Preds obviously didn't feel he was really worth $4.75M, as they were offering higher during contract negotiations. It is simply to set as low a bar as possible for the arbitrator to make a ruling on. I mean, if the Preds come over with a $6M asking, is it possible the arbitrator rules even higher, in the $7.75M-$8M range instead?

That said, the fact that the award ended up being $7.5M indicates that Poile probably didn't fight all that hard for the lower end of the range. It fits exactly into the range they were already planning to pay him.

**Jaygokings!** · August 3rd, 2011, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by jammer06

Seriously though what the hell is the point of offering 4.75 million. That's a lowball number and everyone knows it. Basically at that point you're saying ok Mr Arb, we don't think there's any chance your coming within 50% of our number so go nuts.

And nuts they did go...
7.5? 1 year. holy ****.

Nashville is in DEEP **** next off season...

UFA:
Rinne
Suter
Tootoo

RFA:
Weber
Kostitsyn
Wilson
Blum
Geoffrion
O'Reilly
Lindback
Teemu Laakso

pshhhhht have fun.

**jerseydevil** · August 3rd, 2011, 02:11 PM

Not when they trade Weber to Toronto for a A$$load of picks/players.

**Jaygokings!** · August 3rd, 2011, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Iron Duke

As Smythe points out, it's all just part of the process. The Preds obviously didn't feel he was really worth $4.75M, as they were offering higher during contract negotiations. It is simply to set as low a bar as possible for the arbitrator to make a ruling on. I mean, if the Preds come over with a $6M asking, is it possible the arbitrator rules even higher, in the $7.75M-$8M range instead?

That said, the fact that the award ended up being $7.5M indicates that Poile probably didn't fight all that hard for the lower end of the range. It fits exactly into the range they were already planning to pay him.

His point is, and I think it's a valid one, is that arbitration is supposed to be a decidedly fair amount for both parties involved. Yea Weber asking 8.5 was damn high...but holy **** asking 4.5 from the preds side. That's an EXTREME lowball. I mean yea 8.5 is high....but in the end they were only a mil off...and Nash management was...what....3 and a half off?

I think it may have set a poor tone to come in and say 4.5. I think if you come in and say 6..or 5.5. It at least looks like you give a ****..that 4.5 was probably the equivalent of a slap in the mouth to Weber and his agent.

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