Thread: SJ Trades Heatly to Minn for Havlat

Originally Posted by jt

I don't. I hate it. I'm a Kings fan and this makes San Jose a better team than they were yesterday.

You think much more of Havlat than I do. The 27 year old Martin Havlat that helped turn things around in Chicago is not like the 30 year old Havlat that has sulked in Minnesota, as far as I can tell.

You made sure to bring up how he wasn't a cancer in the locker room like Heatley but you failed to mention that his agent literally called out Wild management for not giving his client enough PP time one month into last season.

Oct. 28, 2010 Agent Alan Walsh wrote the following in an email to the Star Tribune - "...Since that time, Marty has been used in a purely secondary role. Look at this season, he’s played four straight games at about 14 minutes of ice time, he’s used on the second power-play unit, he sits for long stretches, he’s not used in the shootouts. At a certain point in time, one has to ask, ‘Why is he here?’ One has to ask, ‘Why pay this guy $30 million to not play?’

“It’s like we are in a time warp and the coach has totally ignored or chooses to ignore what Marty has done offensively over the course of his entire career. People say the Wild don’t have a star player. The Wild have a dynamic offensive player right under their nose and yet choose not to use him to their advantage. Look around the league, what other team has a player like Marty Havlat wilting on the vine like this?”

Not cancerous but certainly potentially alienating actions carried out on his behalf, no?

Havlat is a talented player, obviously, but I hardly see him as any sort of difference maker in a San Jose lineup that is already heavy on skill and light on grit.

Originally Posted by Deuce

How has Heater caused problems in SJ? Did I miss something? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I just don't really recall hearing any negative stories about him once he landed in SJ. Granted I don't follow the Sharks very closely so I may be way off base here.

You don't hear about it because they run such a tight ship in SJ and McLellan really keeps things under wraps, but my friends up there tell me stories. Heatley is a troubled soul.

Originally Posted by Kubrick

You think much more of Havlat than I do. The 27 year old Martin Havlat that helped turn things around in Chicago is not like the 30 year old Havlat that has sulked in Minnesota, as far as I can tell.

Sure, but he'll come out of it and be the best player and teammate on his team after that.

You made sure to bring up how he wasn't a cancer in the locker room like Heatley but you failed to mention that his agent literally called out Wild management for not giving his client enough PP time one month into last season.

Allan Walsh is an ass. Remember his anonymous anti-Price tweet on a Habs website a couple years ago...when he repped Price's teammate Halak? If you haven't, look it up. Havlat would have done himself a giant favor if he fired Walsh long ago.

That said, it's not that I think that hightly of Havlat, it's that I think that little of Heatley. I couldn't stand Roenick and Tkachuk and Khristich...for me, Heatley is in that category. He's subtraction by addition. Havlat isn't in the same category IMO - but that comes mostly from quotes from teammates over the years that he's a great guy and a great teammate. BTW, he's always been like this since his days in Ottawa. Check out his quotes the season he left.

Not cancerous but certainly potentially alienating actions carried out on his behalf, no?

Absolutely. And I think Havlat needs to be held somewhat accountable for continuing to be repped by a slimeball like Walsh.

Havlat is a talented player, obviously, but I hardly see him as any sort of difference maker in a San Jose lineup that is already heavy on skill and light on grit.

I agree but I think he'll be a fine role player and a better teammate than Heatley.

ok so NOW we have the best top 6 in the conference.

Originally Posted by orpheus

I might make the Sharks a bit weaker, but it does save them money and Heatley is a tool, lol!

and I still say that San Jose won the Burns-Seto swap. Burns is a monster. And they will need him after Boyle retires/leaves.

SJ should have dumped Thornton. jt would be REALLY upset then.

jom

Originally Posted by Jaygokings!

and I still say that San Jose won the Burns-Seto swap. Burns is a monster. And they will need him after Boyle retires/leaves.

I agree.

Originally Posted by jom

SJ should have dumped Thornton. jt would be REALLY upset then.

jom

I've always said that no team will win with Joe Thornton as their best player or #1 center. The tide is turning in SJ.

It's arguable who their best player is. I could make a great case that it's Ryan Clowe. My friends in SJ say it's his team and his lockerroom now. It's arguable whether their best player is Marleau. It might be Couture very very soon.

I think this season was a turning point in Thornton's career. It took Yzerman forever to turn the corner and Thornton may have finally done it, although only time will tell whether he has finally matured.

The first thing I thought when I read that deal was "The Sharks may actually win the Cup next season."

And they might.

If Clowe takes over...

...and Couture plays great again...

...and Thornton continues his path to being their "elder statesman"...

Good move by wilson overall, I do not like that SJ is getting faster. Marleau and Couture are not exactly slowpokes already. Add in the cap space and it's a no brainer considering the sentiment here is that heatley was and is a mistake so they are happy to be gone from that contract.
Wonder why they didn't resign white, he did alright for them in the playoffs when he got back in.

The more I think about these deals, the more I am of the opinion that the Sharks have made a handful of trades that have totally improved their team from what it was last season.

San Jose fans believe that they have done major addition by subtraction on this deal.

I never thought Heatley would be the end all, be all for the Sharks. I have to admit though there is a lot to like in San Jose as they can roll any 3 of these 4 in their top three center slots Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, and Couture.

Then you have Handzus to PK and play on the 4th line. That is pretty good depth down the middle.