Thread: TOR: Hagman, Stajan, Mayers, White to CAL for Phaneuf++; Toskala+J. Blake for Giguere

Originally Posted by Wolvie

I say Boston gets the silver.

i'm inclined to agree.

I'm still surprised everyone thinks Calgary got away with robbery here. This is not larceny. Calgary gives up on a all star defenseman who is a threat in every zone and a prospect in Keith Aulie who will likely be an impressive shut down defenseman and can pair with Schenn or even Phaneuf. They get back Hagman, who has never been a factor on a good team, but has scored on bad ones. They also get White who will want a significant raise and, while having good stats has never been identified as a player with the pedigree of an all star. Stajan will likely be lost to UFA and who knows where he lines up on a good team. Don't even get me started on Mayers

Originally Posted by MontrealKing

One Question....who in the hell i going to score for the Leafs. Hagman, and Stajan with Kessel were the only threats on "O" that they had...wow. Talk about a team with a glut of D-Men. Kaberle, Komisarek, Phaneuf, Beauchemin, Finger, with Van Ryn, Schenn and Exlby....that's like 30 million in D.men

That's F'in Crazy!

So...which one do we get for Purcell? Or maybe even Frolov? Or both? Purcell for Exelby? Frolov for Schenn? Frolov and Purcell for Kaberle+? It's time to rape!

I can't wait to hear what Tonga's brother has to say about this.

Originally Posted by Dominic Lavoie

I'm still surprised everyone thinks Calgary got away with robbery here. This is not larceny. Calgary gives up on a all star defenseman who is a threat in every zone and a prospect in Keith Aulie who will likely be an impressive shut down defenseman and can pair with Schenn or even Phaneuf. They get back Hagman, who has never been a factor on a good team, but has scored on bad ones. They also get White who will want a significant raise and, while having good stats has never been identified as a player with the pedigree of an all star. Stajan will likely be lost to UFA and who knows where he lines up on a good team. Don't even get me started on Mayers

Currently though Phaneuf is a threat in his own zone to his own team...

Phaneuf is a great talent and the most talented guy in this deal but he play has fallen off dramatically the last two seasons and like you brought up before there are major issues with him in the locker room.

I agree though that the return is a bit light for Phaneuf but his recent play, contract, and attitude have devalued him some. That with a combination of Sutter under pressure to make some sort of move led to this deal it seems.

As far as Hagman and Stajan, Hagman shoots the puck, a lot. Seems like the Flames could use some more direct play. He has a nose for the net that doesn't really change if you are on a good team or a bad team. I think Stajan is a really nice player for them. The Leafs fans kill this guy cause he's not Doug Gilmour but he's a smart two way player with good passing skills. That two ability is means a lot for the Flames who play a disciplined system and he could see an increase in numbers if he plays with Iginla. I think it's a nice return for the Flames, it makes you wonder if Phaneuf's value has/had dropped off so much in the last two years in league's eyes or the Flames...

Originally Posted by ASUcruz

Currently though Phaneuf is a threat in his own zone to his own team...

Phaneuf is a great talent and the most talented guy in this deal but he play has fallen off dramatically the last two seasons and like you brought up before there are major issues with him in the locker room.

I agree though that the return is a bit light for Phaneuf but his recent play, contract, and attitude have devalued him some. That with a combination of Sutter under pressure to make some sort of move led to this deal it seems.

As far as Hagman and Stajan, Hagman shoots the puck, a lot. Seems like the Flames could use some more direct play. He has a nose for the net that doesn't really change if you are on a good team or a bad team. I think Stajan is a really nice player for them. The Leafs fans kill this guy cause he's not Doug Gilmour but he's a smart two way player with good passing skills. That two ability is means a lot for the Flames who play a disciplined system and he could see an increase in numbers if he plays with Iginla. I think it's a nice return for the Flames, it makes you wonder if Phaneuf's value has/had dropped off so much in the last two years in league's eyes or the Flames...

I agree with your analysis, but still you have to wonder if Phaneuf might be the next Pronger. If Dion ever figures things out (getting traded sometimes does that for a player) Toronto wins this deal easily. With the salary cap though this is a bit of a gamble by Burke.

Originally Posted by Wolvie

I say Boston gets the silver.

I'm sure that Boston is in disbelief. Lucky suns-a-bitches.

Originally Posted by KINGS17

I agree with your analysis, but still you have to wonder if Phaneuf might be the next Pronger. If Dion ever figures things out (getting traded sometimes does that for a player) Toronto wins this deal easily. With the salary cap though this is a bit of a gamble by Burke.

Oh I'm with on Phaneuf having tremendous upside. As I said earlier in the thread, this potentially a big move for the Leafs and a worthy gamble considering they didn't really give up a ton, certainly no cornerstone players.

I mentioned that this is the sort of thing that could give Phaneuf a jolt. He has all the tools to be a franchise defenseman. I think the key is for the Leafs to surround him with some talent this off-season. I think Phaneuf on a bad team will only make his bad habits worse and it losing won't motivate him to get that much better. But a change of scenery plus a better environment around him could go a long way it getting him turned around.

One thing is for sure, I don't think Burke is done.

Originally Posted by Dominic Lavoie

Stajan will likely be lost to UFA and who knows where he lines up on a good team.

I think that the Flames will work hard to get him an extension before he goes UFA. Besides Olli the cupboard is pretty bare. Langkow is getting up there in age. Backlund isn't quite ready yet so bringing in Stajan and then extending him would seem to be in the plans. At least that is what I think the Flames will do.