Thread: Trade Lineage: Would you do this deal today?

So one of the most fun things to me, is tracing some trade lineage on deals that at the time seemed one sided, or people were trading the now for the future and see how they turned out. Asking yourself at the end of it all...who came out ahead? as it stands, right now, and if you had the foresight would you have done it then. Some examples of it would be...

C Joe Thornton

for (when all is said and done now..this is who they have from those players)

D Dennis Seidenberg
D Andrew Ference
D Matt Bartkowski
2 mid to low level prospects

Who won the deal?

or

LW Pavol Demitra (he walked from Minny so technically they got nothing)

for (eventual)

C Trevor Lewis
RW Justin Williams

How does that deal look?


There are TONS of trades to trace throughout history...damn famous ones to debate and talk about. Just a fun threadto get away from the bullcrap of summer I think


Here is another fun one centered around two teams... Islanders and the Panthers...the infamous Luongo trade by Milbury.

All is said and done...and WOW was this one extensive as ****...and A LOT of good players passed through both organizations..especially Florida...
NYI intially traded Luongo and Jokinen to Florida for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.

Florida ended up, in the end having these players from the trade:

F Steve Bernier
F Quinton Howden
F Shawn Matthias
F Sergei Samsonov

NYI ended up with

F Kiril Petrov
D Travis Hamonic


ya know......it's pretty even haha. That's tough. Petrov is supposed to be good...Hamonic is going to be a fine NHL defensmen. Samsonov is on the end of his career...Matthias has been up and down between NHL and AHL..Howden is going to be fantastic and Bernier is as inconsistent as they come.

What do you guys think? Present your own as well! Be sure to trace hard though..some of these..when it gets down to the nit and grit and swapping picks and stuff....gets crazy.

The only problem with the analysis is the factor of TIME. If you wait long enough ultimately it all averages out to zero. heh

Seriously though, how about the Iginla vs. Neiwendyk (sp?) trade? Look at it now the Stars have a GM and Iginla is still playing in Calgary. However, when Dallas went to the finals twice (one Cup) and Jerome hadn't broken through yet it was the other way around. This could be an example of the Mike Richards trade as it seems rather similar....

Edited to add: The Islanders have been an abortion for years. Milbury being the culprit for most of it. They have gone through: Tim Connoly, Bertuzi, Luongo, Palffy, Jokinen, Brewer...and I can't think of more at the moment but I'll bet there's a couple more. Mike Milbury should stay in the press box as far from any hockey franchise as possible. In fact, he should be banned.

jom

Originally Posted by jom

The only problem with the analysis is the factor of TIME. If you wait long enough ultimately it all averages out to zero. heh

Seriously though, how about the Iginla vs. Neiwendyk (sp?) trade? Look at it now the Stars have a GM and Iginla is still playing in Calgary. However, when Dallas went to the finals twice (one Cup) and Jerome hadn't broken through yet it was the other way around. This could be an example of the Mike Richards trade as it seems rather similar....

Edited to add: The Islanders have been an abortion for years. Milbury being the culprit for most of it. They have gone through: Tim Connoly, Bertuzi, Luongo, Palffy, Jokinen, Brewer...and I can't think of more at the moment but I'll bet there's a couple more. Mike Milbury should stay in the press box as far from any hockey franchise as possible. In fact, he should be banned.

jom

Milbury is a retard in and out of the press box. Pretty sure he has to be widely regarded as one of the worst gms ever.

There's only one thing missing in these evaluations....

Joe Thornton is a $7 Million cap hit.

Zdeno Chara is $6.9 Million cap hit.

Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay

There's only one thing missing in these evaluations....

Joe Thornton is a $7 Million cap hit.

Zdeno Chara is $6.9 Million cap hit.

Truth. This move opened the door. It isn't always value for value in terms of trade..cap space is as much an asset as a player. And you can definitely factor that in when it comes to evaluating.

Originally Posted by Jaygokings!

Milbury is a retard in and out of the press box. Pretty sure he has to be widely regarded as one of the worst gms ever.

Since you guys noted it above I forgot to mention Chara as also being a former Islander.

Milbury has come pretty damn close to George Maguire-like retartitude...and that's pretty hard to accomplish.

Then again, I think the ownership has as much if not more to do with it. Charles WAAAANGGGG can be blamed for much of the stupidity...love that name...WAAAANNGGGG

jom

wow the demitra trade seems pretty good now..

and if you think about it the kings sort of traded sopel for m. richards.. Kings got second round pick (simmonds) and you know the rest.

Originally Posted by jace29

wow the demitra trade seems pretty good now..

and if you think about it the kings sort of traded sopel for m. richards.. Kings got second round pick (simmonds) and you know the rest.

The Demitra trade seemed good THEN...

Sopel for Richards? LOL OK, this would be an example of how time is a factor. The fact is that 2nd round pick grew in value over that time (Simmonds). You also have to factor the Kings sucked in the 2009 season to get that #5 pick (Schenn) which also grew in value.

So to get Richards we had to trash the whole 2009 season. Now...does that work out OK then?

jom

Vancouver gets Barry Pederson

Boston gets Cam Neely, Milan Lucic, Nathan Horton, and Greg Campbell.