August 15th, 2011, 12:25 PM #1
Trade Lineage: Would you do this deal today?
So one of the most fun things to me, is tracing some trade lineage on deals that at the time seemed one sided, or people were trading the now for the future and see how they turned out. Asking yourself at the end of it all...who came out ahead? as it stands, right now, and if you had the foresight would you have done it then. Some examples of it would be...
C Joe Thornton
for (when all is said and done now..this is who they have from those players)
D Dennis Seidenberg
D Andrew Ference
D Matt Bartkowski
2 mid to low level prospects
Who won the deal?
LW Pavol Demitra (he walked from Minny so technically they got nothing)
C Trevor Lewis
RW Justin Williams
How does that deal look?
There are TONS of trades to trace throughout history...damn famous ones to debate and talk about. Just a fun threadto get away from the bullcrap of summer I think
Here is another fun one centered around two teams... Islanders and the Panthers...the infamous Luongo trade by Milbury.
All is said and done...and WOW was this one extensive as ****...and A LOT of good players passed through both organizations..especially Florida...
NYI intially traded Luongo and Jokinen to Florida for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha.
Florida ended up, in the end having these players from the trade:
F Steve Bernier
F Quinton Howden
F Shawn Matthias
F Sergei Samsonov
NYI ended up with
F Kiril Petrov
D Travis Hamonic
ya know......it's pretty even haha. That's tough. Petrov is supposed to be good...Hamonic is going to be a fine NHL defensmen. Samsonov is on the end of his career...Matthias has been up and down between NHL and AHL..Howden is going to be fantastic and Bernier is as inconsistent as they come.
What do you guys think? Present your own as well! Be sure to trace hard though..some of these..when it gets down to the nit and grit and swapping picks and stuff....gets crazy.
August 15th, 2011, 01:18 PM #2
The only problem with the analysis is the factor of TIME. If you wait long enough ultimately it all averages out to zero. heh
Seriously though, how about the Iginla vs. Neiwendyk (sp?) trade? Look at it now the Stars have a GM and Iginla is still playing in Calgary. However, when Dallas went to the finals twice (one Cup) and Jerome hadn't broken through yet it was the other way around. This could be an example of the Mike Richards trade as it seems rather similar....
Edited to add: The Islanders have been an abortion for years. Milbury being the culprit for most of it. They have gone through: Tim Connoly, Bertuzi, Luongo, Palffy, Jokinen, Brewer...and I can't think of more at the moment but I'll bet there's a couple more. Mike Milbury should stay in the press box as far from any hockey franchise as possible. In fact, he should be banned.
Last edited by jom; August 15th, 2011 at 01:21 PM.
August 15th, 2011, 02:30 PM #3
Milbury is a retard in and out of the press box. Pretty sure he has to be widely regarded as one of the worst gms ever.
Originally Posted by jom
August 15th, 2011, 03:21 PM #4
There's only one thing missing in these evaluations....
Joe Thornton is a $7 Million cap hit.
Zdeno Chara is $6.9 Million cap hit.
August 15th, 2011, 04:04 PM #5
Truth. This move opened the door. It isn't always value for value in terms of trade..cap space is as much an asset as a player. And you can definitely factor that in when it comes to evaluating.
Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay
August 15th, 2011, 06:03 PM #6
Since you guys noted it above I forgot to mention Chara as also being a former Islander.
Originally Posted by Jaygokings!
Milbury has come pretty damn close to George Maguire-like retartitude...and that's pretty hard to accomplish.
Then again, I think the ownership has as much if not more to do with it. Charles WAAAANGGGG can be blamed for much of the stupidity...love that name...WAAAANNGGGG
August 15th, 2011, 11:33 PM #7
2012 = end of the wait...
wow the demitra trade seems pretty good now..
and if you think about it the kings sort of traded sopel for m. richards.. Kings got second round pick (simmonds) and you know the rest.
August 16th, 2011, 09:14 AM #8
The Demitra trade seemed good THEN...
Originally Posted by jace29
Sopel for Richards? LOL OK, this would be an example of how time is a factor. The fact is that 2nd round pick grew in value over that time (Simmonds). You also have to factor the Kings sucked in the 2009 season to get that #5 pick (Schenn) which also grew in value.
So to get Richards we had to trash the whole 2009 season. Now...does that work out OK then?
August 16th, 2011, 02:35 PM #9
Vancouver gets Barry Pederson
Boston gets Cam Neely, Milan Lucic, Nathan Horton, and Greg Campbell.
August 16th, 2011, 06:12 PM #10
HAHA oh man WAAAAAANG.
Originally Posted by jom
But seriously, let's bounce that Chara one around too.
At the time it was based around Islanders and the Senators...Islanders sent Chara, Bill Muckalt and the 2nd overall for Alexei Yashin (oh the irony)
What ended up coming out for both teams...
NYI received, Yashin..who ended up being a buyout! so
NYI: 6 years of Yashin
-2.2 Million over 2008-2016
2nd Overall, Jason Spezza
Chara walked, Muckalt walked.
that's just...oh it's larceny.