August 19th, 2009, 10:22 PM #191
Pujols is a pretty good hitter last I checked.
Originally Posted by Liceroni
Dodger fans have been spoiled in the closer dept. for many years.
August 19th, 2009, 10:30 PM #192
god ****ing damnit all to hell
August 19th, 2009, 10:33 PM #193
August 20th, 2009, 03:11 AM #194
IMO, yes it was:
Originally Posted by Joe Hoya
St. Louis - Top of 9th
Broxton relieved H Kuo:
Pujols is a helluva hitter, but make him earn it. Ball 4 to face Holliday? Woooo-hooo... sounds great!
Broxton just not appear to have that F-U, you are DEAD/OUT!! attitude and offsetting pitch (slider or change-up) needed from a true hammer-closer. Whenever I see him rear back and throw a fastball, I see him having the thought "I hope he doesn't hit it" instead "I know he cannot hit it".
All-Star appearance or not, Broxton seems to be more afraid of the hitters than they are of him. Where is the tailing fastball? Where is the slider? Where is the change-up?
The elite hitters in MLB don't give a damn how hard you throw the ball, with no movement or change of speed they are going to drill it, no matter what.
Look at Trevor Hoffman (our favorite Dodger-Killer... ugh!!). What has been his most effective pitch?:
His fastball? Mid 90's (way back when)
His Off-speed? Low 80's (current)
Jonathan Broxton, I know you will never ever read this and I have 0.00 qualifications as a pitching coach at any level but I do know this simple BB fact:
It does not matter how hard you throw it. If the ball does not move, they WILL nail it.
Great, you threw a 105MPH fastball!!!...
...However the punch-and-judy hitter you thew it to broke his bat and tossed that 105 into the outfield on a dunker and 1/2 runs scored.
August 20th, 2009, 07:10 AM #195
Maybe Broxton is still hurt, maybe not. Either way Sherrill needs to step in until he figures things out. The Dodgers can't afford to keep letting him give away games. Unless not hurting Broxton's feelings is more important than making the playoffs. Not that I like LA's post season chanes with how easily the offense gets shut down by good pitchers.
August 20th, 2009, 07:25 AM #196
Um, one walk against the best hitter in baseball does not make him the scapegoat for an inning through the meat of STL's lineup where the only run scored was unearned.
Originally Posted by TR
You Broxton haters are too much. It's time to face reality--he just isn't going to be Gagne circa 2003, cliches about "gaminess" aside. He's still one of the better closers in baseball.
August 20th, 2009, 09:10 PM #197
Holy ****. Russell Martin just hit a grand slam.
August 20th, 2009, 09:10 PM #198
Holy ****ing **** Martin with a Grand ****ing Slam!
August 20th, 2009, 09:12 PM #199
"Fastball. High fly ball into deep left center, she iiiiiiiiiiis gone!"
August 21st, 2009, 03:15 AM #200
Originally Posted by Joe Hoya
That is just my point. There is NO way that Pujols gets Ball-4 in that situation.
If Broxton wants to be the big bad-azz-you-cannot-hit-me closer, then he has to prove it. Especially against the likes of Pujols et al. He must force the batter to try to hit his most nasty pitch.
If he hits you, he hits you, but a walk is unacceptable.
To this point, Broxton has indeed shown that he can throw a gnarly 95-100mph fastball for strikes. But, like I wrote above, where is the complimentary pitch? Something tailing, curving, or off-speed?? = Nowhere to be found from JB to this point.
Remember when Saito was closing with 4 different out-pitches and no one knew what he was going to throw? Now THAT was forcing hitters to hit his pitch.
I'm in no way a Broxton "hater" at all. My frustration comes from how much more I expected from him by this point. I want him to succeed!
When LA was grooming him to be the closer I thought he looked scared as the set-up man, and I think he still looks scared as the closer. I think that is because everyone knows he is a 1-pitch pitcher. A 95+ fastball and that is it.
Jon, if you can come up with an off-speed pitch thrown with the same motion you use to throw that fastball? You will break hearts and ruin hitters careers.
I'm fully hoping to be completely wrong and he goes 100% in closes the rest of this season and this was just a minor slump. Honestly I do.
On a separate note:
Yeah, J. hit a GSHR tonight. I'm VERY glad that he wildly succeeded, but J. is still having an awful year. In that clutch at-bat I expected yet another worm-killer to SS or 2B for a force-out / DP as is his usual move in those situations (BA with RISP is, what? .180??). Well Done!!
Great job, J.! Maybe that will be a turning point for you with runners on base (fingers crossed).
Last edited by TR; August 21st, 2009 at 03:39 AM.