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    Quote Originally Posted by jbruin152 View Post
    A few things to consider:
    - 40% (and climbing) of players in the bigs are non-white today, and just a cursory glance at the all-star game rosters can tell you that a higher % than that of nonwhites are the stars of the game.
    - Also consider how much bigger the population is today. More people = more good players.
    - Not to mention countless more kids today playing baseball at all levels.
    64.5% of players on opening day rosters this year were white.

    Bigger population but also more competition from other sports - football and basketball. With more kids also playing those sports along with, or intead of, baseball. And number of kids playing a sport doesn't mean much, otherwise soccer would be much bigger than it is here and American players would be more highly thought of because a ton of kids play soccer.

    I just don't think you can say Ruth's numbers would be significantly different with the inclusion of black and Latino players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arizonabay
    64.5% of players on opening day rosters this year were white.
    The last major study I saw was in 2005 and said 59.5%. Google "mlb whites 59.5%" and you'll see what I mean. Pretty much every article I've sourced on this topic cites the same number.

    But honestly, quibbling over 5%?

    Quote Originally Posted by arizonabay
    Bigger population but also more competition from other sports - football and basketball. With more kids also playing those sports along with, or instead of, baseball.
    The U.S.'s population is 2.5x larger than it was in 1930. There is undoubtedly a much larger pool of players playing baseball right now. To argue against this would be foolish.

    The financial incentives to be an athlete today are also much stronger than they were back then.

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    And number of kids playing a sport doesn't mean much, otherwise soccer would be much bigger than it is here and American players would be more highly thought of because a ton of kids play soccer.
    Non-sequitur. We are not talking about America vs. the world here; we are talking about America then vs. America now. The U.S. soccer talent now is much better than it was 30 years ago.

    If you want to be baseball-specific though, look at the much larger numbers playing HS baseball, college baseball, and in the minor leagues.

    Quote Originally Posted by arizonabay
    I just don't think you can say Ruth's numbers would be significantly different with the inclusion of black and Latino players.
    Sure you can. I already have.

    Babe Ruth was far and away the most dominant hitter of his generation. No dispute here. But I wouldn't put him miles ahead of today's best hitters either. It really is apples and oranges.

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    jbruin, what about McGwire? If he were breaking this record you don't think there would be similar backlash? After that travesty of an appearance before congress? I tend to think it would be very similar, except he didn't portray quite the arrogance and standoffishness that Bonds does.

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    A big difference in today's game vs. the baseball in Ruth's era is the amount of times you see a given pitcher. Back then, there were less starters, relievers were used less (starters were made to go longer in games), and less teams. Safe to say, you saw the same pitchers a lot. Made it easier for a hitter like Ruth who could definitely exploit certain tendencies a given pitcher would have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italian Seafood
    jbruin, what about McGwire? If he were breaking this record you don't think there would be similar backlash? After that travesty of an appearance before congress? I tend to think it would be very similar, except he didn't portray quite the arrogance and standoffishness that Bonds does.
    I don't think he'd be getting nearly the animosity that Bonds does, no. And again, I think Bonds' unfriendly media personality is the majority of that, but not all.

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