Thread: Baseball HOF, Who is in??

Cal Ripken and Tony Gwynn are going into the baseball HOF this weekend.

Of the following players, which ones would you vote into the HOF?

Does 500 HRs gurantee entry? Does 3000 hits gurantee entry? In my opinion, defense should be taken into account as much as the offensive stats. That is why you'll see R.Alomar, and Vizquel's name on this list. Being a catcher gets some brownie points also on this list. I kept several great players off the list like Arod, Jeter, etc.. because it's obvious they're in. My opinion is in ().

Craig Biggio (yes)
Jeff Kent (hate the guy, but he's in)
Frank Thomas (ehhh, yes, but not first ballot)
Roberto Alomar (nope..please don't spit on me Roberto)
Tom Glavine (close one, i'll say no)
John Smoltz (no)
Mike Piazza (yes)
Jim Thome (one dimensional, I wouldn't vote him in)
Pedro Martinez (over-hyped, but he'll get in)
Curt Schilling (1st class A-hole, NO)
Omar Vizquel (Yes!! Behind Ozzie as the best defensive SS ever)

Gary Sheffield (NO)
Mark McGwire (NO)
Sammy Sosa (only if McGwire gets in)
Barry Bonds (100% Yes-AHOLE, but one of the greatest)
Chipper Jones (NO)
Randy Johnson (YES)
Jorge Posada (tough call,no)
Pudge Rodriguez (yes)
Manny Ramirez (yes)
Andruw Jones (depends on how he ends his career)
Todd Helton (no-plays at Coors Field)
Julio Franco- NO (almost 49 years old, 2580 hits and counting)
Jim Edmonds-( NO WAY) Get injured more Jim.
Barry Larkin-Yes, one of the top 10 SS ever IMO.

Thoughts? Did I miss any other 'boderline' current or former MLB players? Go ahead and add to the list.

Starting pitchers shouldn't get in with less than 300 wins.

Craig Biggio Yes
Jeff Kent Yes
Frank Thomas Yes
Roberto Alomar No
Tom Glavine Yes
John Smoltz Yes
Mike Piazza Yes
Jim Thome No
Pedro Martinez Yes
Curt Schilling Yes
Omar Vizquel Yes
Gary Sheffield Yes
Mark McGwire Yes
Sammy Sosa Yes
Barry Bonds Yes
Chipper Jones No
Randy Johnson Yes
Jorge Posada No
Pudge Rodriguez Yes
Manny Ramirez Yes
Andruw Jones No
Todd Helton Not Yet
Julio Franco- No
Jim Edmonds- No
Barry Larkin - No.

Smoltz gets in based on being a dominant reliever and starter

Paging Mr. Rose

PEDRO IS NOT A HOF-FER. 2 20 win seasons and 206 wins. not good enough

Originally Posted by Trapper9

PEDRO IS NOT A HOF-FER. 2 20 win seasons and 206 wins. not good enough

What about a .691 winning percentage? A career 2.81 ERA, 1.03 WHIP...

Pedro's in.

Originally Posted by Trapper9

PEDRO IS NOT A HOF-FER. 2 20 win seasons and 206 wins. not good enough

Pedro should be in the HOF easy. Numbers alone shouldn't be the deciding factor even in a numbers driven sport like baseball. And for that matter if your going to use numbers don't use wins which is one of the worst indicators of how good a SP is.

How many more wins would Pedro have if he didn't play for a crappy Montreal team? Keep in mind too that the Red Sox teams he played on wern't exactly dominant. There were seasons where the likes of Brian Daubach and Troy O'Leary were playing in 140 games+.

Fact of the matter is Pedro was arguably the most dominant pitcher of his era. His career ERA numbers are ridiculous especially considering he pitched a ton of games in the AL east.

Originally Posted by mitchrock

Starting pitchers shouldn't get in with less than 300 wins.

The win is the most overrated stat for a starting pitcher in baseball.

Are you telling me Sandy Koufax and Randy Johnson (at 284 right now) aren't HOFers? Come on. If RJ retired today he'd be a first-ballot entry.

Originally Posted by ASUcruz

Numbers alone shouldn't be the deciding factor even in a numbers driven sport like baseball.

Numbers DO matter a lot, as long as you are looking at the ones that actually are indicative of individual performance (NOT wins).

Numbers define guys into three categories: definitely in, definitely out, and borderline. That borderline is where the intangibles come into play.

Originally Posted by ASUcruz

Fact of the matter is Pedro was arguably the most dominant pitcher of his era. His career ERA numbers are ridiculous especially considering he pitched a ton of games in the AL east.

What he said. Pedro is a lock.