November 20th, 2007, 09:24 AM #421
Or Matt Kemp could be the next Raul Mondesi, extremley talented player but he never learned to control the strike zone and he always had attitude problems.
Originally Posted by Claw21
People were saying the exact same things about Edwin Jackson and Greg Miller regarding Kershaw. Granted, Kershaw has been developed far better than either guy and his results have been great. But you never know. With Miguel Cabrera you do know what your getting.
LaRoche could be a solid 3B for the next decade, but Joel Guzman was a can't miss player as well.
I love our prospects but to go out and assume that they're all can't miss studs is foolish. I know for a fact Miguel Cabrera is a stud. And like Frolov mentioned in that deal we still keep Loney, Martin, Billingsley, etc. Kershaw is probably the dealbreaker, I can understand if Ned doesn't trade him and I understand if he does. This isn't some decent veteran player. It's Miguel Cabrera, I can't stress this point enough.
November 20th, 2007, 09:37 AM #422
You might, or might not, remember my mentioning Cabrera in trade talks very early in the season. Kevin Kennedy is the first one that I heard mentioning trading for him. When I mentioned it on the boards, I think it was just overlooked especially after Marlins Brass said that they weren't fielding any offers for him.
Originally Posted by ASUcruz
Even up until the trading deadline, it appeared that the Marlins were still not fielding any offers for him.
Yet now, they are. I'm happy. I've been a Cabrera fan these past 2 or 3 seasons. I like what he brings. My comment was more of a shot against Nomar Garciapopup, the would-be third baseman had he not completely tanked for good and made us regret the 2-year deal, than a shot against Miggy.
November 20th, 2007, 09:38 AM #423
You guys do realize Miguel Cabrera is 24 years old, and one of the top 3 right handed hitters in baseball,who's won a World Series and consistently produced elite numbers before even reaching his prime years?
I'd like to resign him to make the deal better, but consistently waiting for prospects to become All Stars isn't the way to go. Torre's here to win now.
I don't know how I'd feel about it, but I wouldn't write this off as selling the farm--we'd still have a lot of under 25 blue chippers in the system and we'd be getting Miguel freaking Cabrera, who would immediately--immediately--become the biggest offensive threat this organization's had since Piazza in the mid-90s.
November 20th, 2007, 09:48 AM #424
Hello everybody. In my starvation for Dodger-talk I've spent the morning reading all 24 pages of this thread. I'm now content! :-)
I gotta say, I was really hoping for the trade of Pierre and Meloan for Garland, but the Angels broke my heart there. Is there anyone out there who might want Pierre now?? I'm hoping the Dodgers sign Torii Hunter and Rowand goes back to the Sox. Perhaps then we could get Texas to take Pierre. Pierre, D.J. Houlton and Meloan might draw us Hank Blalock to play third. He's a free agent in 2009, so we could continue to develop LaRoche, and make the decision for 2009 later. LaRoche could also be moved to 2B and replace Kent in 2009. Of course, I only say that because of the Dodgers seeming reluctant to had the job to Andy.
I must say, I'm almost 100% trading for Miguel Cabrera. The cost is just too high. I think that Kemp is going to be a more athletic version of Miguel Cabrera anyway. Trade him, and a potential ace in Kershaw AND, in my opinion, the next Ron Cey in Andy LaRoche?? I'm just not OK with that.
If I were the GM right now, I'd do my best to sign Hunter, find any way to unload Pierre (for anything, really!), re-sign Wolf and let Nomar and LaRoche battle it out for 3B. If Kent doesn't come back, I'd let Delwyn Young start at 2B and keep Abreu in reserve. I'd work on extending Furcal and try and trade Hu for some pitching. If LaRoche beats out Nomar in Spring, and if Nomar isn't content in a super-utility role, I'd trade him and cash for a mid-level prospect or some bullpen help.
I can live with...
Furcal - SS
Martin - C
Loney - 1B
Hunter - CF
Kemp - RF
Ethier - LF
D. Young - 2B
LaRoche - 3B
(Doesn't this lineup remind you of the Diamondbacks last year? Veteran leadership in Furcal and Hunter and young talent busting at the seems!)
And a rotation of...
If Schmidt can come back, the rotation is even stronger. Plus, you can look at possible mid-season additions to the rotation of McDonald, Kershaw, Kuo.
Oh...I fell so much better with that off my chest. :-)
November 20th, 2007, 09:56 AM #425
Hey EDF, weren't you defending Pierre a few months ago and comparing him to Maury Wills?
Glad you're back though, man. Always good to get another in here who knows his stuff.
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November 20th, 2007, 09:59 AM #426
If this orginization is still committed to the young talent it has, I gotta believe that Torre knew that coming in. I think he's here because he want's to prove he can win without the $200 million dollar payroll. I think he knows of the talent on this team, and he believes he can harness the talent of young players into winners like he did with Jeter, Mo, Bernie, etc. I certainly don't think he'd take the job based on promises that we'd sign and/or trade for big-name players.
Originally Posted by irisher
Torre seems more concerned with the rotation than adding a BIG bat. Take a look at the 1996 Yankees team and I can see why. They didn't have astronomical power. Bernie Williams led that team with 29 homers. Only one other player (Tino Martinez) had over 20.
November 20th, 2007, 09:59 AM #427
Encino, good to have you over from dodgerdogs.com. I don't know what happened to that site. It got quiet over there real quick.
Unfortunately, I think the Dodgers are stuck with Pierre. Hands down the most ridiculous FA signing. I'll do back flips if some GM takes us off our hands.
November 20th, 2007, 10:03 AM #428
The only good posters (minus maybe one or two) over there also post over here now, so I think most of us would just rather one-stop-shop here.
Originally Posted by Claw21
November 20th, 2007, 10:03 AM #429
Originally Posted by irisher
Originally Posted by jbruin152
Thanks jbruin. It feels good to be back. I feel bad advocating for Pierre's exit, because I do think he get's a bum-rep. But there is no real way to argue that keeping Pierre over Ethier or Kemp is the way to go. If the Dodgers add a bat by signing Hunter/Rowand/Jones, Pierre is the logical odd-man-out. And with his contract, and the availability of free-agent center-fielders, and his bum-rep, he's going to be hard to unload.
November 20th, 2007, 10:16 AM #430
But even if we get rid of Kemp, Kershaw, and LaRoche, here's a partial look at our under 25 talent:
Originally Posted by encinododgerfan
Miguel Freaking Cabrera (he's 24)
We'd still be "committed" to young talent.
Again, I'm ambivalent about this prospective deal. It's the one that puts me on the fence. Losing Bills and Kershaw or Loney and Kemp would be too much. But not giving up at two of those four will not be enough to get Miggy.
But I think ASU said it best: I'm not going to be up in arms if we make it. Nor will I be hating life if we don't, as I'd love to see what the kids do next year.