Thread: Dodgers off season thread (merged)

Heyman talks trades

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Originally Posted by Hayman regarding Miguel Cabrera

The Dodgers also have what it would take to land Cabrera, and like their neighbors 45 minutes down I-5, also have money left over from their truncated run at A-Rod. But the Dodgers have been reluctant to surrender their better prospects: outfielders Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier, first baseman James Loney, third baseman Andy LaRoche and pitchers Chad Billingsley and Clayton Kershaw.

Kemp, LaRoche, other Minor League arm or no deal. I like our other guys too much.

Originally Posted by Hayman regarding Johan Santana

Minnesota would surely like to see any package begin with a young stud to replace Santana and another to replace Hunter. The Dodgers could blow away the field if they were willing to offer a combination of Billingsley and Kemp (who has the speed to play center)..

I do that trade yesterday, today and twice on Sunday but it's not enough.

I think whatever trades we're talking, the same players are going to come up.

It might also just be a negotiating ploy by Ned as well. Just like buying a new car, you have to be willing to walk off the lot without it if you're not getting the offer you want, in order to make the salesman sweat. It's clear FLA wants to sell Cabrera and if they can't find any takers for the current deal, they could lower their current price tag of 4 prospects to, say, either Kershaw/Kemp + LaRoche + minor prospect, which is a deal you can't walk away from , IMO.

In any case, I have a hard time believing the Dodgers will make no movement this offseason. I'd keep an eye on Bedard and Rowand, and I wouldn't count out Cabrera yet either. I don't think Santana's in the offing.

Originally Posted by Frolov24

Here's a list of all the starting pitchers currently on the trading block that I'd be willing to trade some of our top prospects for:

Dan Haren

end of list

And a little bit'o Santana?

Originally Posted by So Sumi

And a little bit'o Santana?

The only thing that worries me about Santana is the amount of pitches he's thrown the past 4 years. 4 straight years of well over 200 IP and well over 200 Ks. That's a lot of pitches. If the Dodgers trade for him, how many years does he actually have left having thrown that much? It's a tough decision to make. Do you trade 3-4 young studs for Santana after he's thrown that many pitches?

I like Fro24's idea of Haren. Plus I don't think he'd be that expensive in terms of what we'd have to give up.

Originally Posted by Claw21

The only thing that worries me about Santana is the amount of pitches he's thrown the past 4 years. 4 straight years of well over 200 IP and well over 200 Ks. That's a lot of pitches. If the Dodgers trade for him, how many years does he actually have left having thrown that much? It's a tough decision to make. Do you trade 3-4 young studs for Santana after he's thrown that many pitches?

I like Fro24's idea of Haren. Plus I don't think he'd be that expensive in terms of what we'd have to give up.

Pitch count is a concern I had not thought of. Good points Claw.

I'm more worried about trading for Santana and then having him walk at the end of the year. Even if we did re-sign him it would take a mega deal, 150 million, 7 years, something crazy like that. I'm not too comfortable giving up that much money to a pitcher about to enter his 30s. Good track record or not, it's just risky. Plus there's no guarantee he re-signs anyways.

Don't trade for Santana unless you get an extension done in the window before the deal becomes official.

Originally Posted by jbruin152

Don't trade for Santana unless you get an extension done in the window before the deal becomes official.

I just don't like the idea of giving up 3 or 4 top young players for a pitcher who will likely also cost $125 million over the next 6 years.

Only way I give up top young talent for a pitcher is Haren, who's already signed at a "bargain" rate for the next 3 seasons. Even if you extend Haren for 3 more years on top of that at $20 mill/year, over the next 6 years he'd probably be at least $50 million cheaper than Johan. And he's 2 years younger.

If Cabrera or Haren isn't on the other end of the deal, I say hold onto Kemp/Kershaw/etc.

Originally Posted by jbruin152

Don't trade for Santana unless you get an extension done in the window before the deal becomes official.

Agreed! And I certainly don't want to see anything longer than a 5-year extension. I think it's WAAAAAAY to risky to give a pitcher more than 5 years. Especially with the excellent points made above about the wear and tear on Santana's arm already. The last thing we need is another Kevin Brown.

except Kevin Brown was 34 in his first year as a Dodger. Santana is still in his 20s. I wouldn't mind giving him 5 years.