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    Quote Originally Posted by Claw21 View Post
    Kemp and Broxton are studs who are signed for many more years (so to speak).

    Kemp & Broxton > Bedard
    The price for a #1 starter is steep, and Kemp + Broxton isn't outrageous. Word had been that the O's wanted Broxton, Kemp, and Kershaw originally which definitely was too much. But a setup man (which is what Broxton is for now, and not all great setup men become good closers and Broxton has been shaky in the 9th inning so far) and a top OF prospect is a reasonable price for a #1 type starter.

    Again, I would like to see Kemp excel and become the Dodgers middle of the order power for the next 10 years. But just saying that if the Dodgers do want to acquire a top SP (Bedard, Santana, Haren) it will take at least Kemp + Broxton to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claw21 View Post
    Kemp and Broxton are studs who are signed for many more years (so to speak).

    Kemp & Broxton > Bedard
    This deal makes no sense to me unless they have a deal in place to bring in a power hitter to replace Kemp in the lineup. I can't see Rolen being that guy because he's too much of an injury-risk. Now, if they signed Andruw Jones BEFORE this deal, it would make more sense to me.

    Personally, I don't want to lose Kemp and I'll be sorry if we trade him away...for anything! Gotta love the bix Ox too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roenick View Post
    I could see Pierre and Broxton for Bedard. No way they get Kemp as well. Ned couldn't be this stupid could he??
    I bet Baltimore would be ALL over that.

    /sarcasm

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    Regarding Bedard, he may not be a household name yet but he's as highly regarded as any starter in the game. Not just any pitcher who's available, but any pitcher on any roster. To get a guy of his caliber would be a major upgrade to the Dodgers pitching staff. Bedard, Penny, Lowe, Bills, Schmidt would be an unrivaled starting staff.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...oop/index.html

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. --Superstar pitcher Johan Santana is still more likely than not to be traded here -- perhaps even by the end of the day Monday -- and once Santana's gone, attention will then turn toward Dan Haren, the A's fine and inexpensive right-hander, and Erik Bedard, who is maybe as talented as any starter outside Santana and maybe Josh Beckett.

    The starting pitching market is where it's at down here at the winter meetings.

    Speaking about the sometimes overlooked left-hander Bedard, one scout said, "Top five ... he's one the top five starters in the game.''

    The Mets' proposed trade for Bedard, apparently made a couple weeks ago, was comprised of outfield prospect Carlos Gomez, pitching prospect Philip Humber and reliever Aaron Heilman and still barely drew a response from Baltimore. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frolov24
    Bedard, Penny, Lowe, Bills, Schmidt would be an unrivaled starting staff.
    Until the Red Sox land Santana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frolov24 View Post
    Regarding Bedard, he may not be a household name yet but he's as highly regarded as any starter in the game. Not just any pitcher who's available, but any pitcher on any roster. To get a guy of his caliber would be a major upgrade to the Dodgers pitching staff. Bedard, Penny, Lowe, Bills, Schmidt would be an unrivaled starting staff.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...oop/index.html
    I agree with what you're saying, but I agree with Joe Torre more. You can't create two holes to file one. I think this is a bad idea IF they don't FIRST sign a power bat to replace Kemp. Losing Broxton is a big risk too. Does that mean they are counting on Meloan to fill his shoes?

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    I'll do that trade, sure it hurts to trade away Kemp...but Bedard is a bonifide Ace.

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    I would have no problems trading Broxton. He's young and throws hard but has been pretty poor as a closer and relief pitching is easier to come by than starters or power bats. Bedard is really good but it doesn't make a ton of sense to trade away a power bat (the Dodgers biggest weakness) for a starting pitching (which should be pretty good). Plus that blocks Kershaw until at least 09 when Lowe leaves. Not necessarily a bad thing to hold Kershaw back but it's something to consider.

    With Cabrera and A-rod gone and not much doing with Rowand or Jones I don't see Kemp going for anything but a big bat in return. Then again I didn't see a point in signing Juan Pierre and Ned went for it so who knows.

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    sounds like Ned wouldn't back down

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti lounged on an overstuffed living room chair Tuesday night, a leg crossed over the other, a shiny black cowboy boot dangling, his hands pushed lightly into his pockets.

    He announced he'd been bearing up under a migraine all day and as a result might be cranky, but to go ahead, ask away.

    The accumulation of his straight answers, half-answers and sighed non-answers aligned into a handful of apparent truths for the Los Angeles Dodgers, thick in the young, inexpensive – and now familiar – players who make the game go 'round, just as thick in their reluctance to let them go.

    He'd spoken to the Minnesota Twins about Johan Santana.

    Nothing.

    He'd spoken to the Baltimore Orioles about Erik Bedard.

    Nothing.

    He'd engaged or been engaged by the Florida Marlins about Miguel Cabrera, the Oakland A's about Dan Haren, Scott Boras about Andruw Jones, and in this particular sixth-floor room of the Opryland Hotel, on a day Santana hung in the air like Colletti's left boot and Cabrera exited the National League to become a Detroit Tiger, Colletti forced a grin and of the Dodgers said, "The only thing that's really changed is the day on the calendar."

    Matt Kemp, the rugged outfielder with the 40-homer potential, remains a Dodger. James Loney, who could someday be Mark Grace, remains a Dodger. So do right-handers Chad Billingsley and Jonathan Broxton, and left-hander Clayton Kershaw, all on a day the Tigers threw six prospects after Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis, a month after they threw two prospects after Edgar Renteria.

    Unspoken, the Dodgers could have made that trade, put Cabrera at third base for at least the next two seasons, fixed up Willis and sent him out with Brad Penny, Derek Lowe, Jason Schmidt (maybe) and Billingsley, and for a player or two fewer.

    The Dodgers and Colletti, potentially the belles of baseball's offseason ball, don't feel much like dancing. Maybe it's the migraine.

    Just before they granted the Tigers their wish, the Marlins made one last telephone call to Colletti, gave him one last chance to take their hand.

    "A lot of players," Colletti observed of the trade. "They got what they wanted. Apparently Detroit did, too."

    Colletti wasn't around to answer that call.

    "They left us a message," he said.

    The Marlins were asking for the same young men: "Kemp, Loney, Kershaw … "

    It went unreturned.

    "They told us the same thing three weeks ago," Colletti said. "So …"

    Nothing.

    "Everything was the same," he said. "Same thing coming in, same thing going out, and the same answer from me."

    Meantime, the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox are willing to dump prospects for Santana. If the Yankees lose out on Santana, they are expected to turn similar guys around for Haren. The Arizona Diamondbacks, an entire organization built on prospects, are also in on Haren. The Tigers have dealt so many prospects they might have to close right field in their minor-league games.

    But, not the Dodgers, apparently, not the 82-win, fourth-place, have-done-nothing-for-20-years Dodgers.

    And that, so far, is fine by Colletti, who not only is willing to stick with this core of players the Marlins, Twins, Orioles and A's have recently confirmed is among the best in the game, but seems quite enthused at the sight of it.

    "You end up filling one of your needs with a tremendous player," he said, "and you look around and have three more needs to fill."

    And as he sits and frets and barters and pops Advil up there on the sixth floor, Colletti becomes more convinced that Kemp will lay off those sliders away and go A to B on fly balls, that Loney will put the heavy part of the bat on the ball, that Kershaw will keep coming, that this is absolutely the right way to run a roster, and this is how to ride a down franchise into a dynasty.

    Those pitchers the Yankees and Red Sox are fighting over? Maybe Billingsley becomes something like that. Maybe Kershaw and Broxton do. Maybe one of them, if they're very lucky, does. That's valuable, right? That's worth holding to, right?

    "I think when you see what it's costing to acquire a player, how much the core of your team is going to be uprooted … you make that type of decision," Colletti said.

    Yeah, another pitcher, even a front-of-the-rotation starter, a third baseman who brings a middle-of-the-order bat, a center fielder who might bring the same, would make the Dodgers better today. And, last we saw, the Dodgers were losing a lot yesterday. But, at what cost? "The price of filling that need makes you re-examine what you have," he said.

    What he saw was Loney driving in 32 runs in September, Kemp batting .350 in August and September, for the moment squeezing out Kemp striking out in more than a quarter of his at-bats.

    "Neither one of those players are accomplished, complete players," he said. "But, when you see what they can do, how do you know that can't happen? Not that you talk yourself into it, (but) you say, 'You know what, they might be right here.'"

    He meant here, with the Dodgers. Not here, in Nashville.

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    more rumors

    http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/baseball/dodgers/


    - The Dodgers and A's are expected to meet tonight, presumably to discuss a trade involving Dan Haren and/or Joe Blanton, who the Dodgers took a look at before last season's trading deadline.

    - Any potential trade talk about Baltimore's Erik Bedard or Miguel Tejada is only at an early stage. Also, there's this: "I don't have any interest in trading (Jonathan) Broxton," Dodgers GM Ned Colletti said.

    - Regarding last year's clubhouse troubles, Colletti said, "I know why it occurred. It's been addressed." Speaking of which, a source today recounted an incident between Jeff Kent and James Loney after a September loss last season that underscores the divide. Loney untucked his jersey after the game in the near-empty dugout, and Kent ordered him to tuck his shirt back in. Loney was in the middle of something and said alright, he'd do it. Kent shook his head and walked off in a huff and later let Loney know how unprofessional the kid was being. It was at the end of the series that Kent criticized the team's young players.

    - Oh, and back to Nomar, he basically wanted to know where he stood as far as next season since the Dodgers had been rumored to be looking at Miguel Cabrera at third base. Colletti said Nomar and Andy LaRoche will battle for the job this spring, and that's looking like a good bet given that Cabrera is now off the board.
    it looks like Laroche will get his shot - that makes me happy

    Also, Kent is a tool

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