Dodgers sign Andruw Jones

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Originally Posted by OrangePuck

Also, for me to "always" compare Angels moves to Dodgers moves it would require the Dodgers to actually make some moves.

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Alas, some of his don't have the luxury of following a team with such free-wheeling GM's like Bill Stoneman.

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Originally Posted by ASUcruz

You bring up past numbers in your post below but then you advocate signing Aaron Rowand? Take a look at his previous seasons, absolute crap compared to this last one.

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True, but my point was the $$$ we're spending on AJ seems to be a little extreme. If we could have had Rowand (he's a damn good defensive player as well), for half of what we payed AJ, we could use the saved $$ for pitching.

Like I said, I hope i'm wrong about Andruw's offense. I'm just trying to provide an alternative view to the signing.

Now if we could only get Kent to retire. Hmmm, I guess i'll have to save that for another thread.

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Originally Posted by Iron Duke

Aside from 2000, Jones had arguably his two best seasons in '05 and '06, boasting an average .10-.15 lower than Hunter, but hitting more than twice as many home runs, and nearly 100 more RBI. The strikeout number are even comparable, aside from Hunter's very good 65 in '05. Hardly a guy on the significant decline.

I've always liked Hunter, but how you can argue he is "leaps and bounds" better than Jones is beyond me. Let's see how Hunter does off the artificial turf and outside the Homerdome. If Jones has a repeat of last season, I'll agree with you, but single seasons in baseball hardly indicate player trends.

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My reservations regarding Andrew Jones go beyond statistics. I have always felt that he has a bit of an attitude problem and his constant clashings with Bobby Cox confirm that. Also, you can see that he has gotten a bit pudgy over the past couple of seasons. Typically, when non pitchers start getting fat you can almost say that there is a 100% probability that performance will decline and continue to decline until the player dedicates himself to get back in shape.

If Jones can rededicate himself to proper conditioning then he can be a great signing. If he doesn't then his baggage may be detrimental to LA. Having the calming Torre in charge will help but that still remains to be seen. I just feel that Hunter is a better fit for the Angels because he is more of a contact hitter which is perfect for Anaheim's style of play. Also, the dude is in tip top shape and has a wonderful personality and can only have a positive impact in the clubhouse.

I'm really, really old school when it comes to baseball thinking. I'm the type of person who would prefer Eckstein at short than Orlando Cabrera. The rotisserie geeks would call me and idiot but in my defense all I would have to do is one thing...

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show them this picture. Positive attitudes and positive clubhouse impact is far more important than statistics compiled over a mammoth 162 game campaign. I just think that in this area Hunter outclasses Jones any day of the week.

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Originally Posted by OrangePuck

Torii Hunter may not be in the prime of his career but he is leaps and bounds better than Jones. To pay that much money for a guy that started his decline in his 20's is laughable. Dude hit .222 last season people. Wake up!

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You better pray to the baseball gods that Torii gets healthier as he gets older, which is almost unheard of, he's played 138, 98, 147 games in the three years prior to last season. Meanwhile, since becoming a full time player in 1997 Andruw Jones has never played in less than 153 games in a season.

Also Torii's career .469 SLG%, OPS of .771 and 192 HRs aren't exactly leaps nor bounds better than the younger Jones' .497 SLG%, .893 OPS and 368 HRs.

Last season Hunter was a far better offensive player than Jones but over the past 10 years Jones dominates Hunter offensively. It's not even close.

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Originally Posted by OrangePuck

My reservations regarding Andrew Jones go beyond statistics. I have always felt that he has a bit of an attitude problem and his constant clashings with Bobby Cox confirm that. Also, you can see that he has gotten a bit pudgy over the past couple of seasons. Typically, when non pitchers start getting fat you can almost say that there is a 100% probability that performance will decline and continue to decline until the player dedicates himself to get back in shape.

If Jones can rededicate himself to proper conditioning then he can be a great signing. If he doesn't then his baggage may be detrimental to LA. Having the calming Torre in charge will help but that still remains to be seen. I just feel that Hunter is a better fit for the Angels because he is more of a contact hitter which is perfect for Anaheim's style of play. Also, the dude is in tip top shape and has a wonderful personality and can only have a positive impact in the clubhouse.

I'm really, really old school when it comes to baseball thinking. I'm the type of person who would prefer Eckstein at short than Orlando Cabrera. The rotisserie geeks would call me and idiot but in my defense all I would have to do is one thing...

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/C..._10p.widec.jpg

show them this picture. Positive attitudes and positive clubhouse impact is far more important than statistics compiled over a mammoth 162 game campaign. I just think that in this area Hunter outclasses Jones any day of the week.

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Originally Posted by Cup B4 I Die

True, but my point was the $$$ we're spending on AJ seems to be a little extreme. If we could have had Rowand (he's a damn good defensive player as well), for half of what we payed AJ, we could use the saved $$ for pitching.

Like I said, I hope i'm wrong about Andruw's offense. I'm just trying to provide an alternative view to the signing.

Now if we could only get Kent to retire. Hmmm, I guess i'll have to save that for another thread.

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Jones has played more than 150 games in 11 out of his 12 seasons (the only other one was his first season).

Rowand has done that only twice in his career.

And though we need the extra $$ for pitching, we need a big bat more.

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Originally Posted by Die Radio Die

Downside of his career? He's 30 years old. He played through a shoulder injury last season which is an absolute killer for home run hitters especially. The Juan Pierre signing last year was a joke and a HUGE overpayment. The Jones signing is much more of a medium risk with high reward potential.

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31 at the beginning of next season. Not saying he's done but he is on the down swing. His hits, HR, SLG% and OPS have gone down each of the last two years. Surely he can rebound and hit 30+ home runs and drive in 100 runs the next two years, it's being the fifth highest paid player that leaves me shaking my head. Even in his best year is he a top 5 player.

He's a lot like Kobe. Coming into the league at a young age means he has a lot more mileage than the average player at the same age.


One of three players in the top 40 under 33 years old .
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Originally Posted by UnderPressure

They're both overpaid. But I'll take the shorter deal.

And uh...I don't like your fanhood. :)

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Originally Posted by OrangePuck

I was replying to an earlier post in which someone compared the Jones signing and saying it was better than the Angels plan of overpaying centerfielders on the decline.

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Huh? Unless I'm missing something I'm the only one who said anything about the Angels and I said no such thing.

Great signing. I don't mind the high average salary because the term is so short.

If only we could get rid of Pierre and not Kemp...