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    1. Furcal, SS
    2. Pierre, CF
    3. Kemp, RF
    4. Kent, 2B
    5. Ethier, LF
    6. Martin, C
    7. Loney, 1B
    8. LaRoche, 3B
    9. Billingsley, P

    LaRoche is back, baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    This is one major issue I have with Colletti. It's obviously something he has picked up from Sabean. Ned loves, absolutely loves veteran players. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when your bringing in veteran players for the sole reason that they are vets.

    They're not even good, he just has a strong bias towards these guys. Meanwhile perfectly good options like Meloan and LaRoche are/were still in the minors. I don't like rushing prospects, but when they have had a good track record(especially Meloan) they become viable options. Especially compared to the likes of Roberto Hernandez.

    For me the jury is still out on Colletti. He pushed most of the right buttons 2 off seasons ago but pushed a ton of wrong ones last off season. Combine that with his hard on for veteran players and I'm pretty skeptical. I'm sure he'll get another off-season, McCourt seems to like him, we'll see what he does.

    Anyways, the season isn't over although it looks bleak. They'll be plenty of time to discuss Colletti in the off-season, just wanted to get this off my chest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mashiasu View Post
    F***!!F***!!F***!!!!!! F.U. hillenbrand, nice veteran pick ups there neddy jacka**
    Quote Originally Posted by UnderPressure View Post
    And LaRoche is still in Vegas while we watch Hillenbrand strikeout on bad balls.

    In case you missed this on Dodgers.com.

    You guys are neglecting one very important factor. LaRoche has been injured since his last callup to the Dodgers earlier this year!!!!!!! Honestly, Ned has been extremely burdened by injuries. Besides the questionable signing of Pierre, what else was Ned supposed to do last offseason that he didn't try to do?

    Rosters expand: The club purchased the contracts of catcher Chad Moeller, infielder Chin-lung Hu and pitcher Jonathan Meloan and recalled right-hander D.J. Houlton, who will be making his third trip to the Majors this season. Hu and Meloan will be making their Major League debuts this month after both started the season with Double-A Jacksonville.

    To make room on the 40-man roster, the club transferred to the 60-day disabled list Yhency Brazoban, Chin-hui Tsao and Randy Wolf.

    Stults is expected back when Triple-A Las Vegas' season ends Monday. Also expected are Andy LaRoche and Tony Abreu, players who earlier were good enough to get callups but since have been injured, LaRoche with a back disk and Abreu with a suspected sports hernia. Little said they were not promoted with Saturday's group to allow them a few extra games and innings in the remaining games for Las Vegas.
    The most intriguing of the callups is Meloan, a hard-throwing reliever who began his career as a starter and said he would like to return to that job.

    "Maybe down the road," he said. "I like to start. It's a better approach for me. I'm not worried about it. I'm here just to get my feet wet and see what it takes."
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnderPressure View Post
    1. Furcal, SS
    2. Pierre, CF
    3. Kemp, RF
    4. Kent, 2B
    5. Ethier, LF
    6. Martin, C
    7. Loney, 1B
    8. LaRoche, 3B
    9. Billingsley, P

    LaRoche is back, baby.
    Damn, that's old school Dodgers right there. 6 out of the starting 9 were Dodger farmhands.

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    I don't think we'd have seen the likes of Hillenbrand had LaRoche not been out of commission. Just the same as we'd not have seen Ned go out and get Hernandez, Wells, and Loaiza had we not been without Schmidt, Wolf, Tsao, and Kuo. Hell if Tomko had pitched to his pay grade, we may not have had to get Wells OR Loaiza. Aside from Loaiza costing us 7 million next season, every pickup has been on-the-cheap. I can't blame ned for making any of them.

    That, folks, is really what this season comes down to. Again, this ballclub has just been wrecked by injury. Plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingPurple View Post
    In case you missed this on Dodgers.com.

    You guys are neglecting one very important factor. LaRoche has been injured since his last callup to the Dodgers earlier this year!!!!!!!
    But he wasn't injured the entire time he was in the minors. He got sent down on June first. He played 12 games in June and these were his splits.

    .306/.435/.444

    Pretty good.

    In July the splits were

    .411/.486/.922

    You don't think that at some point in July there should have been some talk in bringing him up? I don't have the greatest memory but I'd be willing to bet our offense wasn't doing so great in July.

    You didn't even take into consideration Meloan. It's hard to argue against the fact that Colletti has a hard on for veterans. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when you have young players who can fill the void and are much more talented than these vets.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bleedingpurple
    Honestly, Ned has been extremely burdened by injuries. Besides the questionable signing of Pierre, what else was Ned supposed to do last offseason that he didn't try to do?
    One could make the argument that Depodesta was burdened by injuries and he was killed in the press on these boards despite those facts.

    First off, regarding Ned, the Pierre signing wasn't questionable. It was just flat out bad.

    I could have also done without Luis Gonzalez. He had a nice start but has absolutely been awful in the second half. I would have been just fine going into the season with Ethier and Kemp as our corner outfielders. But Ned has this hard on for vets so we have Gonzo who started off nice but has tailed off badly. Perhaps Kemp would have stuggled early, but the benefits of being young are ever improving skills and he surely would have turned it around. Hell he's doing good now, so there's no reason to think he wouldn't have been a fine everyday player from the beginning. Anyways I'd much rather have a slow starter that finishes up strong than a front runner who fails down the stretch.

    It's not just off-season stuff though. During the season, Colletti continues to reach in this garbage can for solutions. Hillenbrand, Loiaza(jury still out of course), Wells. And even before(Tomko, Hendrickson). We have perfectly good options in our great system. Let's see if they can play. I would honeslty feel the same about Houlton and Stults starting games in September over Wells and Loiaza with added benefit of the kids get battled tested down the stretch which could benefit them in the future. And at the same time we know whether they can handle it or not. Which helps us next off-season.

    Like I said, I'm not sold on Colletti but I'm not ready to start "Fire Colletti threads" either. The jury is still out.

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    And I think the jury should be out for at least another season...possibly two. Who knows what we'll be after this off-season? What will really be available? What will other teams be willing to trade for?

    Pierre for that kind of money was definitely bad. Had it been a shorter term, it might have been a little easier to swallow. Still, I wanted to give Whapee the benefit of the doubt and see how he'd perform. And to me, he's been mediocre at best.

    The older vets have, for the most part, been signings that have been cheap and short. You've gotta have vets on a ballclub for the experience factor, of course. But don't forget that Colletti was trying to build a team through three levels of baseball. You could not sign any vets and play the kids this year, but do you really have anyone who could benefit from being brought up from AA or AAA to replace a young major-leagure in case of injury? You risk working a younger prospect harder than they're ready to be worked that way. Or you go out at the trade deadline and sign a cheap vet to replace the kid temporarily. Personally, I prefer the way Ned's done things thusfar. In '08, you'll see Loney, Kemp, and Ethier play full time. LaRoche will probably platoon (unless we land a blockbuster like A-Rod).

    Who knows. Without being on the inside, none of us really have the level of knowledge that the GM has.
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    Matt ****ING Kemp with yet ANOTHER baserunning blunder!!! Takes off from first with no outs on a Jeff Kent fly ball, only to get doubled-up back at first.

    What is that, his sixth or seventh in the last ten games?

    That's inexcusable for a major-league-level player. This is what happens when you go with a "play the kids" mentality. Not that the vets are immune to stupidity on the basepath's (Kent and Gonzo have had one or two in the last two weeks as well), but the kids will learn as they do.
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    Kemp managed to avoid tripping over his dick around the base paths and scores from third base on the single by Ethier.

    1-0 Dodgers.
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    Okay. The Dodgers send 7 to the plate in the top of the sixth with one scoring. Bases loaded, two outs, here comes Billingsley to the plate.

    I dunno, but I might have pinched for him there. Sure he's pitching great today, but let's get some offense in the batter's box in that situation, eh?
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    Kemp 3-3 a run scored and an RBI now. He's made up for this game's base running error.

    2-0 Dodgers.
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