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    I like the deal... even if the options are gone and here's why. Manny is playing the rest of this season for the mega contract for the next 4. Dude will be going all out because he is unrestricted and it should be a good ride his 4 year 100 million dollar deal is in his own hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TONGA View Post
    I like the deal... even if the options are gone and here's why. Manny is playing the rest of this season for the mega contract for the next 4. Dude will be going all out because he is unrestricted and it should be a good ride his 4 year 100 million dollar deal is in his own hands.
    Yea, that's the upside everyone is looking for, Manny playing for his last big payday.

    And let's be honest folks, Manny isn't the same hitter he was 5 years ago which shouldn't come as a surprise since he was arguably one of the top 5 hitters in all of baseball, but he can still rake: .299/.398/.529. 140 OPS+

    I'm really curious to see how the argument that he can "feast on NL pitching" works out versus going to a pitchers park. Sure there are good pitchers in the NL West and NL for that matter, but there are plenty of guys the caliber of Kip Wells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    Here's the best take on the deal for all sides
    Good read.

    What's that from, ASU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    If Manny rakes like he can I don't give a **** about what Jeff Kent thinks.
    And neither will Jeff Kent, most likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    Who gives a flying **** about what Jeff Kent is going to put up with. The guy has an OPS+ of 83 right now. If Manny rakes like he can I don't give a **** about what Jeff Kent thinks.
    My point was less about what Jeff Kent thinks, and more about what a pissy Jeff Kent is going to do in the clubhouse, a la that veterans-vs.-rookies hubbub last year. We're one Torre removed from a team that was all effed up. Adding an enigmatic, self-centered player like Manny could easily affect chemistry.

    And we're saying IF Manny hits it's all okay, which I happily concede... even though his numbers are down in a contract year (I mean, it's not like he wasn't playing for that next contract the last few months, too)... yet everyone seems perfectly content that he'll suddenly find motivation to coincide with diminishing (though still considerable) skills. THE GUY IS DODGING GOOD PITCHERS TO KEEP HIS NUMBERS UP. That is NOT the kind of contract year motivation you want.

    So, once again, I understand "value" and the notion of a "good gamble" and I don't disagree with the trade on paper, but I still don't see this working out. And I'll be plenty happy if I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural View Post
    Good read.

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    Keith Law over at ESPN

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    Manny says he wants to finish his career here
    ESPN - Ramirez keen to finish his career at new home in L.A. - MLB

    I don't know if that'll happen, since Ethier, Kemp, Pierre, and Andruw will all still be under contract next year.

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    **** Pierre and Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiehardKingsFan View Post
    Manny says he wants to finish his career here
    ESPN - Ramirez keen to finish his career at new home in L.A. - MLB

    I don't know if that'll happen, since Ethier, Kemp, Pierre, and Andruw will all still be under contract next year.
    That's BS.

    Nice of Manny to say but he'll go to whoever will offer him the most money. Simple as that.

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    Oh yeah. Lost in all this was the fact that Los Angeles gets Mrs. Manny in addition. She may not hit a baseball as well as her husband, but she is very valuable in her own right:






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