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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoya View Post
    Speaking of old Dodgers, Jayson Werth is ridiculous good.
    He was/is my 2nd favorite player, behind Jim Edmonds.


    It has taken me alittle while to get Dodger Fever this year for some reason (I think its because of the Kings making the playoffs).

    That Either kid aint bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoya View Post
    What is with you Broxton haters only showing up after a ****-up? The guy hadn't given up an ER all season before tonight. Christ.
    No, I did not at all just show up re:Broxton.

    In 2008 I stated he looked scared on the mound and I had no confidence in him.

    In the 2008 NL Champ series the Phillies took him apart. And he looked terrified with every pitch.


    In 2009 (yes, last season) I initially stated I felt the same about Broxton as I did in '08. At the behest of other posters here, I decided to give him a break and get on the JB-wagon.

    He was made a fool of in several save opps. Again.

    In the 2009 NL Champ series the Phillies easily took him apart. Again. And he looked terrified with every pitch. Again.


    Here we are in the '10 season and he has not been good in any way, shape, or form in any situation.

    He has already blown 2 of 3 save opps and has been tagged in non-save situations / mop-up opportunities.


    I want a closer with a "Here, try to hit this pitch" attitude, not one with a "I hope he does not swing the bat" 'tude that I think Broxton has.

    Yeah, I do miss the 'roided-out Eric Gagne of '04 and the coked-out Steve Howe (RIP) of the 70-80's. Substance issues aside, they had the ATTITUDE and pitches needed in a closer.


    I wrote it before and I'll write it one more time:

    Jonathan Broxton is the Charlie Brown of pitchers. He has a high straight ball, and a low straight ball.

    Sure.. he throws hard, but decent MLB hitters do not care if the fastball is coming in at 95 or 105. They know a fastball is coming from JB and they sit on it. They know Broxton's only pitch that will be a strike is his fastball.

    Trevor Hoffman was so effective because he had an excellent off-speed pitch to compliment a great fastball. And he threw the off-speed for strikes.

    Dennis Ekersley had an excellent slider/curveball to compliment a great fastball. And he threw the benders for strikes.

    What consistent additional pitch does Broxton throw for strikes?

    Curve? Nope...
    Slider? Nope...
    Offspeed? Nope...



    Ahhh... arguing sports over the intraweb... fun, fun, fun...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vargsmal View Post
    Milton Bradley was the best thing to happen to the Dodgers in a while.....just sayin

    Yeah... transforming him (AKA: trading him for) into Andre Ethier is not a painful thing, is it?



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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    No, I did not at all just show up re:Broxton.

    In 2008 I stated he looked scared on the mound and I had no confidence in him.

    In the 2008 NL Champ series the Phillies took him apart. And he looked terrified with every pitch.


    In 2009 (yes, last season) I initially stated I felt the same about Broxton as I did in '08. At the behest of other posters here, I decided to give him a break and get on the JB-wagon.

    He was made a fool of in several save opps. Again.

    In the 2009 NL Champ series the Phillies easily took him apart. Again. And he looked terrified with every pitch. Again.


    Here we are in the '10 season and he has not been good in any way, shape, or form in any situation.

    He has already blown 2 of 3 save opps and has been tagged in non-save situations / mop-up opportunities.


    I want a closer with a "Here, try to hit this pitch" attitude, not one with a "I hope he does not swing the bat" 'tude that I think Broxton has.

    Yeah, I do miss the 'roided-out Eric Gagne of '04 and the coked-out Steve Howe (RIP) of the 70-80's. Substance issues aside, they had the ATTITUDE and pitches needed in a closer.


    I wrote it before and I'll write it one more time:

    Jonathan Broxton is the Charlie Brown of pitchers. He has a high straight ball, and a low straight ball.

    Sure.. he throws hard, but decent MLB hitters do not care if the fastball is coming in at 95 or 105. They know a fastball is coming from JB and they sit on it. They know Broxton's only pitch that will be a strike is his fastball.

    Trevor Hoffman was so effective because he had an excellent off-speed pitch to compliment a great fastball. And he threw the off-speed for strikes.

    Dennis Ekersley had an excellent slider/curveball to compliment a great fastball. And he threw the benders for strikes.

    What consistent additional pitch does Broxton throw for strikes?

    Curve? Nope...
    Slider? Nope...
    Offspeed? Nope...



    Ahhh... arguing sports over the intraweb... fun, fun, fun...
    What's more believable: your "feelings" about how Broxton "looks," or the actual numbers?

    It's hilarious how this is the first time you've come out against Broxton this season. It's May 7th. He gave up his first runs of the season. A month in. FIRST RUNS.

    I'll take the overwhelming dominance of his numbers over how you "feel" about him any day of the week.

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    They didn't get swept!!
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    Just in case folks need a reminder that the owners don't give a **** about the Dodgers at the moment... Judge orders Dodgers' Frank McCourt to pay his wife more than $637,000 a month in spousal support | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times
    "In a year that has been so improbable, the impossible has happened." - Vin Scully being clairvoyant in 1988.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonySCV View Post
    Just in case folks need a reminder that the owners don't give a **** about the Dodgers at the moment... Judge orders Dodgers' Frank McCourt to pay his wife more than $637,000 a month in spousal support | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times
    I'm not at all familiar with the relationship between owner and GM in the MLB, but can it safely be assumed that they've basically put a spending freeze on Colletti? What exactly is the relationship between the divorce and the reason the Dodgers haven't made any attempts at making any changes to improve the roster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    No, I did not at all just show up re:Broxton.
    I didn't say you just showed up. I said you Broxton haters only pop up out of the woodwork when he ****s up, which really isn't all that often if you guys could get beyond your hysterical hatred of him.

    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    In 2009 (yes, last season) I initially stated I felt the same about Broxton as I did in '08. At the behest of other posters here, I decided to give him a break and get on the JB-wagon.

    He was made a fool of in several save opps. Again.
    As I posted last time you made this absurd point: "Not many, actually. He was 36 for 42 in save opportunities last year with a 2.61 ERA and WHIP under 1. If he gives us that again this year, I'll take it without question."

    If your bar for success is going to be that a closer is garbage if he blows "several save opps.", you're never going to be satisfied.

    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    In the 2009 NL Champ series the Phillies easily took him apart. Again. And he looked terrified with every pitch. Again.
    Yes, and the Phillies had the best offense in the NL in 2009 (and were #2 in 2008). As I've noted several times, EVERY closer (Lidge, Fuentes, Nathan, Papelbon, Franklin, and Street) in the playoffs not named Mariano Rivera melted down in a huge playoff game last year. Obviously nobody is satisfied with his NLCS performances so far, but he's in pretty good company in that regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Here we are in the '10 season and he has not been good in any way, shape, or form in any situation.

    He has already blown 2 of 3 save opps and has been tagged in non-save situations / mop-up opportunities.
    Talk about selective statistics. His ERA was 0.00. I'll repeat that--he had not given up an earned run all season this year before last night. It's his fault that the Dodgers have been so bad that he hasn't had many opportunities, or that he blew another opportunity because of inherited runners? Come on.

    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Yeah, I do miss the 'roided-out Eric Gagne of '04 and the coked-out Steve Howe (RIP) of the 70-80's. Substance issues aside, they had the ATTITUDE and pitches needed in a closer.
    Herein lies the crux of the complaint. Broxton is not the '04 Gagne, nor is he Saito. Dodger fans have been spoiled because they've had arguably the best closer in the game for many, many years. Broxton is not the best closer in the game, obviously. But he's easily in the top 10 and arguably in the top 5 in MLB.

    Quote Originally Posted by keyTOarson View Post
    What's more believable: your "feelings" about how Broxton "looks," or the actual numbers?

    I'll take the overwhelming dominance of his numbers over how you "feel" about him any day of the week.
    This.
    Last edited by Hoya; May 7th, 2010 at 04:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoya View Post

    Yes, and the Phillies had the best offense in the NL in 2009 (and were #2 in 2008).

    This is where a true bad-ass closer says "Nope, you are not going to hit me." and has the pitches and attitude to back it up.

    Broxton does not have that mentality or the additional pitch. You clearly avoided that minor little detail in your rebuttal.

    Broxton is Charlie-freaking-Brown with his high straight-ball or a low straight-ball pitches. He has ZERO.ZERO else for pitches that hit for strikes.

    Tonight the Dogs got lucky in the fact that J. finally managed to throw out an attempted base-stealer in the 9th. (For as down as I am also on J., that was a great throw!)

    If the base stealer (sorry, I cannot recall who it was) had been sucessful and Broxton had to pitch from the stretch to the following hitters?

    PURELY HYPOTHETICAL, based on JB's past "performances":

    Hmmm... let me guess based on his past...


    A runner on 2nd with one out, JB pitching from the stretch...

    There is a wild pitch in the dirt coming up from Broxton trying to throw something resembling a curve...

    Runner on 3rd...

    Broxton gives up a worm-killer or fly ball, the score is tied...

    Maybe Ethier saves LA yet again in the 9th / extra innings.

    Yeah... no... Love JB all you like but The Dogs will never win a damn thing with him as their "closer".

    Broxton has had 3+ seasons to prove himself. He has shown TWICE (see: Philly in the NLCS x2) that he is not up to the task when it really comes down to push-comes-to-shove.

    Yeah, he got the save tonight. Barely.




    I do, with all veracity, hope Broxton proves me totally wrong...

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