In 2008 I stated he looked scared on the mound and I had no confidence in him.
In the 2008 NL Champ series the Phillies took him apart. And he looked terrified with every pitch.
In 2009 (yes, last season) I initially stated I felt the same about Broxton as I did in '08. At the behest of other posters here, I decided to give him a break and get on the JB-wagon.
He was made a fool of in several save opps. Again.
In the 2009 NL Champ series the Phillies easily took him apart. Again. And he looked terrified with every pitch. Again.
Here we are in the '10 season and he has not been good in any way, shape, or form in any situation.
He has already blown 2 of 3 save opps and has been tagged in non-save situations / mop-up opportunities.
I want a closer with a "Here, try to hit this pitch" attitude, not one with a "I hope he does not swing the bat" 'tude that I think Broxton has.
Yeah, I do miss the 'roided-out Eric Gagne of '04 and the coked-out Steve Howe (RIP) of the 70-80's. Substance issues aside, they had the ATTITUDE and pitches needed in a closer.
I wrote it before and I'll write it one more time:
Jonathan Broxton is the Charlie Brown of pitchers. He has a high straight ball, and a low straight ball.
Sure.. he throws hard, but decent MLB hitters do not care if the fastball is coming in at 95 or 105. They know a fastball is coming from JB and they sit on it. They know Broxton's only pitch that will be a strike is his fastball.
Trevor Hoffman was so effective because he had an excellent off-speed pitch to compliment a great fastball. And he threw the off-speed for strikes.
Dennis Ekersley had an excellent slider/curveball to compliment a great fastball. And he threw the benders for strikes.
What consistent additional pitch does Broxton throw for strikes?
Ahhh... arguing sports over the intraweb... fun, fun, fun...
It's hilarious how this is the first time you've come out against Broxton this season. It's May 7th. He gave up his first runs of the season. A month in. FIRST RUNS.
I'll take the overwhelming dominance of his numbers over how you "feel" about him any day of the week.
They didn't get swept!!
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If your bar for success is going to be that a closer is garbage if he blows "several save opps.", you're never going to be satisfied.
Last edited by Hoya; May 7th, 2010 at 04:46 PM.
This is where a true bad-ass closer says "Nope, you are not going to hit me." and has the pitches and attitude to back it up.
Broxton does not have that mentality or the additional pitch. You clearly avoided that minor little detail in your rebuttal.
Broxton is Charlie-freaking-Brown with his high straight-ball or a low straight-ball pitches. He has ZERO.ZERO else for pitches that hit for strikes.
Tonight the Dogs got lucky in the fact that J. finally managed to throw out an attempted base-stealer in the 9th. (For as down as I am also on J., that was a great throw!)
If the base stealer (sorry, I cannot recall who it was) had been sucessful and Broxton had to pitch from the stretch to the following hitters?
PURELY HYPOTHETICAL, based on JB's past "performances":
Hmmm... let me guess based on his past...
A runner on 2nd with one out, JB pitching from the stretch...
There is a wild pitch in the dirt coming up from Broxton trying to throw something resembling a curve...
Runner on 3rd...
Broxton gives up a worm-killer or fly ball, the score is tied...
Maybe Ethier saves LA yet again in the 9th / extra innings.
Yeah... no... Love JB all you like but The Dogs will never win a damn thing with him as their "closer".
Broxton has had 3+ seasons to prove himself. He has shown TWICE (see: Philly in the NLCS x2) that he is not up to the task when it really comes down to push-comes-to-shove.
Yeah, he got the save tonight. Barely.
I do, with all veracity, hope Broxton proves me totally wrong...