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    Quote Originally Posted by jbruin152 View Post
    Is that really Wright's fault though? He was filthy in the last two months of the season, by far his best two months at the plate of the year.

    August .394/.516/.657
    September .352/.432/.602
    Was it Wright's fault the Mets tanked in Sept? I don't know. I didn't see any of their games. But blowing a big lead like that is sure hard to ignore. And giving an MVP award to somebody on that team is unheard of, especially if there are other players out there who had better stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claw21 View Post
    Was it Wright's fault the Mets tanked in Sept? I don't know. I didn't see any of their games. But blowing a big lead like that is sure hard to ignore. And giving an MVP award to somebody on that team is unheard of, especially if there are other players out there who had better stats.
    Did Holliday have better stats when park factor is taken into account? What about Wright's Gold Glove year at third?

    I'm in an argumentative mood, sorry. Bored at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbruin152 View Post
    Did Holliday have better stats when park factor is taken into account? What about Wright's Gold Glove year at third?

    I'm in an argumentative mood, sorry. Bored at work.
    Work? I'm stuck at home recovering from foot surgery.

    Anyway, my reasoning is based solely on the main offensive categories. Holliday being first in avg, rbi, and hits. And 4th in hr.

    I'm guessing that is what the voters would do. I don't think it would be fair to use where he played as an excuse to not give him the award. With that reasoning, nobody would ever win an award in Colorado, unless it was the Cy Young.

    Wright won the Silver Slugger and Gold Glove because he deserved them. Holliday deserves the MVP.

    Now if you ask me who I'd rather have on my team. Well, that's easy. David Wright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claw21
    I don't think it would be fair to use where he played as an excuse to not give him the award.
    I completely disagree. Numbers always need to be put in context. It's not an excuse; it's a reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Claw21
    With that reasoning, nobody would ever win an award in Colorado, unless it was the Cy Young.
    Not necessarily true. If Holliday had been dominant both at home (where he was godly) and on the road (where he was good, but unremarkable for an MVP candidate), we wouldn't be talking about how Coors Field boosted his stats. Similarly, if Holliday was a dominant fielder that would mitigate my talk of Wright being a master with the glove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbruin152 View Post
    I completely disagree. Numbers always need to be put in context. It's not an excuse; it's a reality.


    Not necessarily true. If Holliday had been dominant both at home (where he was godly) and on the road (where he was good, but unremarkable for an MVP candidate), we wouldn't be talking about how Coors Field boosted his stats. Similarly, if Holliday was a dominant fielder that would mitigate my talk of Wright being a master with the glove.


    My rationalization was based on Holliday's final totals. When was the last time writers broke down numbers like you did. It seems as if the writers always give the MVP awards to the player with the power numbers.

    I think we both would rather have Wright on our team. But as far as MVP goes, I can see Wright not even finishing in the top 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claw21
    My rationalization was based on Holliday's final totals. When was the last time writers broke down numbers like you did. It seems as if the writers always give the MVP awards to the player with the power numbers.
    I wasn't asking who will win, I was asking why he should win. I understand the media likes to dumb stuff down to the lowest common denominator--but that's a cop-out, not a justification.

    As far as who I think will win, I'd bet on Rollins simply for the media hype machine, the "30-30", and that the Phillies were a great comeback story. Rollins is definitely a candidate considering he plays phenomenal defense at a premium position, but I think there are better players.



    (Disclaimer: I actually love SI, albeit with some minor objections here and there. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbruin152 View Post
    I wasn't asking who will win, I was asking why he should win. I understand the media likes to dumb stuff down to the lowest common denominator--but that's a cop-out, not a justification.

    As far as who I think will win, I'd bet on Rollins simply for the media hype machine, the "30-30", and that the Phillies were a great comeback story. Rollins is definitely a candidate considering he plays phenomenal defense at a premium position, but I think there are better players.



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    Matt Holliday should win the MVP because he had better offensive numbers than David Wright.

    When will it be announced anyway? Tomorrow?

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    According to baseball-reference.com:

    AL MVP Nov. 19
    NL MVP Nov. 20

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    who won the nl cy young?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdkings24 View Post
    who won the nl cy young?
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112132

    Peavy unanimous.

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