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    well at least penny got some third place votes....

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    Anybody else confused with David Wright as the G.G. winner for Third Base?

    NAME GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR
    Pedro Feliz, SF 143 137 1220.0 406 93 302 11 28 .973 2.91 .852
    Aramis Ramirez, ChC 126 126 1091.1 358 88 260 10 19 .972 2.87 .780
    Chipper Jones, Atl 126 126 1081.2 310 75 226 9 17 .971 2.51 .797
    Scott Rolen, StL 112 108 935.0 321 85 226 10 22 .969 2.99 .847
    Garrett Atkins, Col 154 153 1319.0 349 84 252 13 34 .963 2.29 .722
    Abraham Nunez, Phi 113 51 594.2 225 41 175 9 12 .960 3.27 .810
    Jose Bautista, Pit 126 122 1065.2 361 95 251 15 16 .958 2.92 .740
    Ryan Zimmerman, Was 161 161 1432.2 511 140 348 23 39 .955 3.07 .811
    David Wright, NYM 159 159 1418.1 452 107 324 21 24 .954 2.73 .771
    Edwin Encarnacion, Cin 137 134 1168.0 340 112 212 16 21 .953 2.50 .777
    Miguel Cabrera, Fla 153 152 1311.2 389 100 266 23 33 .941 2.51 .714
    Kevin Kouzmanoff, SD 136 128 1135.1 322 91 209 22 12 .932 2.38 .763
    Ryan Braun, Mil 112 112 945.1 248 61 161 26 12 .895 2.11 .697

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    Probably just another case of the award being skewed towards the offensive producers. See: Jeter, Derek.

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstat...&Submit=Submit
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbruin152 View Post
    Probably just another case of the award being skewed towards the offensive producers. See: Jeter, Derek.

    FRAR is probably a better guide than fielding% or zone rating though.
    What's FRAR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingPurple View Post
    What's FRAR?
    From Baseball Prospectus:
    Fielding Runs Above Replacement. The difference between an average player and a replacement player is determined by the number of plays that position is called on to make. That makes the value at each position variable over time. In the all-time adjustments, an average catcher is set to 39 runs above replacement per 162 games, first base to 10, second to 29, third to 22, short to 33, center field to 24, left and right to 14.

    BP is notoriously tight-lipped about their stuff though, so here's one that's a bit more accessible.

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...ardball-times/

    GQIQJoe (where has that guy been?) is way better at this stuff than I am.
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    Barry Bonds indicted on perjury, obstruction charges

    SAN FRANCISCO -- Barry Bonds was indicted Thursday for perjury and obstruction of justice, charged with lying when he told a federal grand jury that he did not knowingly use performance-enhancing drugs.

    The indictment, unsealed Thursday by federal prosecutors in San Francisco, is the culmination of a four-year federal probe into whether he lied under oath to a grand jury investigating steroid use by elite athletes.

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    Well I didn't see many of the Mets games this year so take my imput for what it's worth but the thing I've noticed about David Wright the past couple years is that he makes the tough plays look easy. Whether it balls hit to his right/left or charging balls in toward the plate. He makes it look easy. And his quickness at getting to balls hit down the 3rd base line is incredible. All that and he makes the routine plays.

    And BleedingPurple, according the stats you showed, Wright played started in 159 games. Thats crazy.

    As far as the amount of errors he made, I don't know, can't explain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claw21
    Well I didn't see many of the Mets games this year so take my imput for what it's worth but the thing I've noticed about David Wright the past couple years is that he makes the tough plays look easy. Whether it balls hit to his right/left or charging balls in toward the plate. He makes it look easy. And his quickness at getting to balls hit down the 3rd base line is incredible. All that and he makes the routine plays.
    Yep. Wright led the NL in OOZ (out of zone) plays by 3B.

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstat...on=DESC&page=1

    Quote Originally Posted by Claw21
    And BleedingPurple, according the stats you showed, Wright played started in 159 games. Thats crazy.
    Zimmerman played in 161 and by most statistical accounts is a marginally better fielder. (Should we re-assess the MVP vote now? )

    The real bad one is not giving Tulowitzki the GG at SS.
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    I saw that Zimmerman had played in 161 games. I know that he had wrist surgery recently. Any word if he played any part of the season hurt? Because if he did, that's impressive.

    Tulowitzki is a stud at short. I still think he should have won ROY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbruin152 View Post
    You could make the argument Rollins wasn't even the most valuable player on his own team.

    Wright or Holliday. I'd lean Wright because his D is awesome and he didn't play half his games at Coors.
    Don't let Chipper hear you say that.

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