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    A house cleaning would likely be in order, hard to imagine someone spending $1 billion plus for the team and not wanting to put a whole new management team in place. Mattingly would probably have a good chance to stick, but a lot of things would would need to be settled first before the team manager would be decided.
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    I can't believe Colletti just dropped $4.5 million on Rivera. What a waste of valuable money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keyTOarson View Post
    I can't believe Colletti just dropped $4.5 million on Rivera. What a waste of valuable money.
    I ranted about this the other day, this deal does not make sense on any level. I can't imagine the team is in a financial place where they just have millions to blow, and the first thing they do is overpay Rivera when they already have a guy (Sands) who could be as good or better than Rivera for 1/10 the cost. I'm all for Rivera coming back, but it's a deal that could have waited and likely could have come at half the salary. Even the Yanks and Red Sox would be more prudent with a deal like this. Honestly, I don't get this deal and don't think I ever will. The early signing period should be for guys who are in high demand where the team is afraid to lose them (not Rivera) or for guys who are willing to give a discount because they prefer to stay than hit the open market (certainly not Rivera @ $4.5MM).

    My fear is that the Dodgers are outbid for an actual impact player later this offseason because of deals like this one.
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    I was scratching my head as well on this signing. I have a feeling Ethier will be traded and the Dodgers will have an outfield of Sands, Kemp and Rivera.

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    Apparently others are perplexed:


    Impatient Ned Colletti flushes at least $2 million down the toilet | HardballTalk

    The Juans (Uribe & Rivera) will be making $12.5MM combined in 2012, this is exactly what drives me nuts about Colletti. That much salary could land a true impact player (or pay for Kuroda for another year), but instead it's going to two guys who will likely be below average at their positions and could have their production matched by rookies or $1MM per year vets.
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    Anybody know if MLB can step in and veto this signing?? Like Frolov said, it's a waist of money. Big time.

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    A nice read, I agree with almost everything written here. This deal is actually pissing me off more and more as time passes. I think it points to a hugle disappointing offseason, no way a GM throws this kinda money out there for a player like Rivera if he's gonna make a serious run at guys like Fielder/Pujols/Beltran. Neds comments already speak to Rivera buying a middle of the order guy who will protect Kemp. If that's so, time to start looking towards 2013.

    Juan Rivera Turned One Good Month Into $4.5m « Mike Scioscia's tragic illness

    Not to break up all the fun over the search for a new Dodger owner, but that’s unlikely to be resolved for months and there’s still baseball business at hand. Remember the other day when word came out that Juan Rivera was likely to sign a $4m contract for 2012 with a club option for 2013, and we were all a bit less than thrilled with that?

    Uh, yeah:

    The Los Angeles Dodgers have agreed to a one-year, $4.5 million contract with outfielder Juan Rivera, major-league sources told FOXSports.com.

    The deal, which is pending a physical exam, will pay Rivera a $4 million base salary during the 2012 season. It includes a $4 million club option for 2013 (with a $500,000 buyout) and $500,000 in performance bonuses each year, one source said.

    Oh, good. As though just giving him $4m wasn’t enough of an overpay, now it’s $4.5m guaranteed (including the option buyout) and the potential for $5m with performance incentives. Let’s not forget that Rivera made $5.25m with Toronto last year and was so bad that they flat out DFA’d him in July; I wish I knew of some sort of database that would allow me to query for “most money made in the season following a DFA”, because this has to be up there.

    While I’ve said that I’m okay with Rivera on this club as a OF/1B platoon bat against lefties, no one pays that much for someone to be a backup. That means that Rivera is almost certainly going to be your starting left fielder, and that pushes Jerry Sands to AAA unless there’s an unlikely Andre Ethier trade in the works. That’s a guy who didn’t even make Keith Law’s top 50 free agents list and who had a total 2011 OPS of .701, worse than Jamey Carroll and Casey Blake‘s marks last year. While it’s true that he was far better with the Dodgers than he was in Toronto, that’s hardly a high barrier to clear, and it appears that once again, the Dodgers have been sucked in by a favorable first impression that the new aquisition was unable to maintain. (Yes, I’m looking at you, Rod Barajas.)

    Rivera’s first 31 games with Dodgers
    115 PA .327/.365/.481 .846 OPS .364 BABIP

    Rivera’s second 31 games with Dodgers
    131 PA .226/.305/.339 .664 OPS .240 BABIP

    His true talent level is probably somewhere in between, but unfortunately that’s not what you want from a starting corner outfielder or someone you’re paying nearly $5m to. Did anyone really think that you absolutely had to lock up Rivera during the exclusive negotiating period before a line of other teams drove dump trucks full of cash to his house? There’s this narrative going around that Rivera was some sort of “savior” or “RBI machine”, and while his contributions were welcomed, the facts just don’t fit that story.

    As Eric Stephen rightly points out, Rivera’s 2011 profiles very similarly to Marcus Thames‘ 2010 – after which Thames was signed for only $1m – and we can see how well that turned out. Perhaps if Roch Kubatko’s completely unsubstantiated and never going to happen report that the Orioles would have interest in Ned Colletti is true, we can make them take Rivera (…and Matt Guerrier, and Juan Uribe) as compensation?
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    Colletti can do a lot of damage (or already has) before our new owners are in place and get rid of him.

    Don't do it Ned-o!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frolov24 View Post
    A nice read, I agree with almost everything written here. This deal is actually pissing me off more and more as time passes. I think it points to a hugle disappointing offseason, no way a GM throws this kinda money out there for a player like Rivera if he's gonna make a serious run at guys like Fielder/Pujols/Beltran. Neds comments already speak to Rivera buying a middle of the order guy who will protect Kemp. If that's so, time to start looking towards 2013.

    Juan Rivera Turned One Good Month Into $4.5m « Mike Scioscia's tragic illness
    Your opinion of the deal pretty much mirrors what I was ranting to my friend the other day. It's just mind-bogglingly (yeah, I said it) stupid. It literally makes no sense whatsoever. Colletti is the bane of the Dodgers competitiveness. His terrible signings (Uribe, Thames, and Gibbons come to mind) were a huge reason why they started so poorly last season. When Sands and Gordon came back from AAA in the second half of the season the team really took off. They won despite Colletti, not because of him.

    Shouldn't the priority this off season be Matt Kemp? Why is Colletti in such a rush to lock up such a mediocre player as Rivera? Minus a nice hot streak, Rivera was pretty bad for the Dodgers last season. He did the same thing with Barajas last year. Advice to all MLB players: if you get DFA, make sure you end up on the Dodgers because you'll get paid as much, if not more, than you made before you were DFA. Such a joke.

    I really, really, really hope the new owner comes in a wants to have a GM with a different vision because Colletti's vision is comparable to that of a horny college student over ten beers deep eying the raunchy swamp donkey across the crowded party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubrick View Post
    Did you go to any games last season? I went to about 6 games and I sat in seats priced anywhere from $120 to $12. I don't know that security can get any more aggressive or assertive without hindering the fan experience. Uniformed and plain clothes cops are EVERYWHERE. The couple times that a drunk animal made a scene, security escorted them away immediately. The days of half-inning long brawls in the 3 dollar pavilion seats are over.
    Nope. Quit going after the end of the regular season in 2008. Bought a 50" flat screen instead of playoff tickets. When we didn't renew our seats for our 21st consecutive season, we got a phone call from an account exec wondering if we'd forgotten. We found it amusing that we'd not received any phone calls in regards to our emails and letters and phone calls about concerns with park security and the less-than-family-friendly atmosphere around our seats. Hell, I even ran into Ned in PHX just before they opened Spring Training 2009, and when he asked if I'd be out to the new facility, I told him not only "No" but "Hell no. Not until your boss is long gone."

    I'm glad to hear things inside the park are looking up, though. Maybe I can go back, soon...and actually enjoy myself. They still need to crack down on parking-lot partying in order to have any real effect on ballpark security. I hope that's their next step.

    Going to be an interesting off-season...and I'm more into it this year than I have been since 2008. The Rivera signing, though...WTF?
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