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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashiasu View Post
    yeah Spurs can never find a good left winger, I don't know why, just like the Kings can never find a goaltender,the Dodgers a third basemen or the Bears a QB some things will always be a mystery.

    I think the Bent fee was ridiculous but he does have a brilliant first touch and I feel in the long run He will be worth the money alas I fear He will be with one of the big four within 3 years and Spurs will recoup their money and still be on the edge of cracking the top four with limited success.
    So, is Martin Jol the right man take the Spurs further?

    By the looks of the new and improved Newcastle, we could be talking about the big 6 by this time next season, that's including the Spurs because Dawson, King, and Lennon are still out injured.

    btw, Younes Kaboul looks promising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redxalonso View Post
    Essien is injured. Yes!
    Any word on how long? If its long term its a big blow for Chelsea. If its a short term thing, I don't think its a HUGE deal. They have a lot and I mean a lot of center mids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redxalonso View Post
    So, is Martin Jol the right man take the Spurs further?

    By the looks of the new and improved Newcastle, we could be talking about the big 6 by this time next season, that's including the Spurs because Dawson, King, and Lennon are still out injured.

    btw, Younes Kaboul looks promising.
    Well Jol has brought Spurs to this level by bringing in young talent and grooming them, after the Santini debacle Jol brought some stability to Spurs and a direction so I give him a lot of credit.

    personally and I hope I'm wrong. I don't think Jol can get us over the top. I don't know who would be able to do it, Maybe Klinsman since he has history with Spurs.

    Kaboul looks very promising and don't forget Boateng.

    Spurs has a bright future even with the tough result versus Sunderland, I can't wait to see how this team plays when everybody is healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    Any word on how long? If its long term its a big blow for Chelsea. If its a short term thing, I don't think its a HUGE deal. They have a lot and I mean a lot of center mids.
    No word on how long, but he hurt his knee ligaments.
    http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7117098

    "It was something in the knee ligament," said Mourinho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mashiasu View Post
    Well Jol has brought Spurs to this level by bringing in young talent and grooming them, after the Santini debacle Jol brought some stability to Spurs and a direction so I give him a lot of credit.

    personally and I hope I'm wrong. I don't think Jol can get us over the top. I don't know who would be able to do it, Maybe Klinsman since he has history with Spurs.

    Kaboul looks very promising and don't forget Boateng.

    Spurs has a bright future even with the tough result versus Sunderland, I can't wait to see how this team plays when everybody is healthy.
    Jol's fellow Dutchmen Guus Hiddink would turn the Spurs into a juggernaut.

    Lets hope that never happens...hehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    It works both ways, I think Rooney would have won a gold medal if you put him in place of Tevez in that Argentine team.

    I know for sure how Rooney performs in a title run. People say he had an off year last year and he still had 23 goals in all competitions. I know Rooney can play on both wings and in a support and main striker role.

    Tevez for all his talents has proven his worth in half a season of premier league play. The South American leagues are great and all and so are the olympics(again a glorified U-23 tourney) but some of you guys are selling Rooney short. Somebody said Tevez is twice the player Rooney is? That's a bit of a joke.
    On the pitch, Tevez is level headed in good and bad situations.

    Rooney is stable at a good situation with ManUtd, but proven to be unstable when things are bad, such as the England setup under Ericksson. That is why I doubt he could have done what Tevez did in rescuing West Ham from relegation.

    It wouldn't shock anyone that Rooney would get his fair share of yellow and red cards IF ManUtd were a struggling midtable club.

    Comparing Rooney to Tevez is in no way of selling him short However I do think a lot of ManUtd fans are wearing tinted glasses. At the same age, Robbie Fowler averaged 20.5 league goals in his first 4 seasons with Liverpool from the age of 18-22, before he got injured. Fowler's first touch and movement off the ball even at 18 was better than Rooney's at his current stage. Even when Rooney is fully healthy, he isn't close to being as lethal as Fowler.

    Michael Owen, battling hamstring injuries, still scored over 15 league goals a season playing under Houllier's crap system. Many times he had to play up front by himself in a 4-5-1 with a midfield that is far inferior to Scholes, Giggs, C. Ronaldo, and Carrick.

    For a striker that cost 30 million pounds, proven to be unstable when things don't go his way, playing with a well balanced midfield, compared to former English prodigies at the same age, Rooney is just a bit over hyped.

    You still haven't answered the question. Who would you rather have between Tevez and Rooney. You don't get to wait and "see how Tevez does in a title run"

    You're the manager, you need one striker to compete your squad and you have can afford only Rooney or Tevez, who is it going to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redxalonso View Post



    Comparing Rooney to Tevez is in no way of selling him short However I do think a lot of ManUtd fans are wearing tinted glasses. At the same age, Robbie Fowler averaged 20.5 league goals in his first 4 seasons with Liverpool from the age of 18-22, before he got injured. Fowler's first touch and movement off the ball even at 18 was better than Rooney's at his current stage. Even when Rooney is fully healthy, he isn't close to being as lethal as Fowler.
    However Rooney is a far more talented player than Fowler. He's more versatile, can play more positions on the pitch and brings a lot more to the table as far as setting up goals. I disagree that Fowler's movement off the ball was better than Rooney. Rooney is probably the second most intelligent player on the pitch other than Paul Scholes. Robbie Fowler was a good player but at the same age did he accomplish what Rooney did at the international level? People seem to be just throwing away his performance in Portugal.

    People are bringing up Tevez's performances with the national team. The talent argument goes both ways. What if Rooney played with the likes of Messi, Crespo, Mascherano, Cambiasso, Saviola, Rodriguez, Gonzalez, et al. And all this being said Tevez's best performance is still the Olympics. Again a U-23 tournament.

    Quote Originally Posted by redxalonso
    Michael Owen, battling hamstring injuries, still scored over 15 league goals a season playing under Houllier's crap system. Many times he had to play up front by himself in a 4-5-1 with a midfield that is far inferior to Scholes, Giggs, C. Ronaldo, and Carrick.
    And 2 years ago Rooney had a 19 goal season playing with a makeshift centermidfield of John O'Shea and Ryan Giggs. People assume that just because Rooney is at United he's always been surrounded by talent. That hasn't been exactly true.

    Quote Originally Posted by redxalonso
    You still haven't answered the question. Who would you rather have between Tevez and Rooney. You don't get to wait you "get to see how Tevez does in a title run"

    You're the manager, you need one striker to compete your squad and you have can afford only Rooney or Tevez, who is it going to be?
    Well if I'm Sir Alex Ferguson give me Wayne Rooney because I know how he can play multiple positions, peform in a title race, a champions league run, and an FA cup run. I don't think that half a season of a great performance with West Ham, winning a glorified U-23 tourney, and accolades in Brazil and Argentina exactly equate with what Rooney has accomplished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    Any word on how long? If its long term its a big blow for Chelsea. If its a short term thing, I don't think its a HUGE deal. They have a lot and I mean a lot of center mids.
    This just means Sidwell will probably get to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Irreverent View Post
    This just means Sidwell will probably get to play.
    Yea, also Makalele will be back and they still have Mikel(he should be our property!)

    Essien is a great player but if its a short term thing, they are not in grave danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Irreverent View Post
    Yeah, Curbishley needs to figure out the midfield quick like, Lee Bowyer looked TERRIBLE, ditto Zamora, Boa Morte, Ferdinand, McCartney, Noble. If West Ham is going to be succesful in this league, they're going to need a class playmaker (see: Fabregas, Arteta, Elano, etc.) AND a shut down midfielder. This is why I'm shaking my head that they never gave Mascherano a chance, now Liverpool has an abundance of them.
    And none of the names (save Gudjohnson) do anything to inspire. Solano? Dyer? Please ...

    I'd kill for Fabregas but that's not going to happen.

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