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    Welcome to Liverpool Maxi, now forget about the FA Cup. What a sorry season Liverpool is having this year. My only hope is they pull it off like Man U did when they had a suck season like this a few years back next year.

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    According to the fat Texan owner, the club is going to spend big this summer.

    I think him and Gillette are finding out that you unless you spend to compete, the possibility of relegation isn't too far from the realm. I take what Hicks say with a huge grain of salt, but he has been very candid since the whole Klinnsmann incident that made him look bad.

    What happened last summer when we were supposed to get a proper left winger and a back up striker, but the money ended up going to pay the interest on the club's debt, cannot happen again.

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    Benitez must be fired.......... this sxxt is happening on his watch and with his players.

    As for spending:



    Instead of whining, perhaps he should take a leaf out of AF's book.

    There are a littany of terrible and costly blunders.

    Sissoko 5.6 million, Crouch 7 million, Bellamy 6 million, Pennant close on 7 million, Lucas 5 million, Babbel 11.5 million, Dossena 7 million, Robbie Keane 19 million, Krgyiakos 2 million(A former Rangers player who was shipped off for being crap)

    That is not a knock on those players talent, but Benitez has really not bought wisely. He has spent 37 million pounds in the last off season and still the jury is out on his two main purchases. Aquilani stuill needs time but Johnson whilst great bombing forward has been very naieve defensively.

    Sad days at liverpool at the moment.

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    Monday Morning Quarterback.

    5m-7m on strikers or attacking players is considered costly when his budget was 20m before Hicks and Gillette took over? How was he supposed to buy wisely when most of them were left overs?

    Anyways, Benitez's problem is not his knowledge of the game or his competency in the transfer market, but his lack or personal skills to communicate with is players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redxalonso View Post
    Monday Morning Quarterback.

    5m-7m on strikers or attacking players is considered costly when his budget was 20m before Hicks and Gillette took over? How was he supposed to buy wisely when most of them were left overs?

    Anyways, Benitez's problem is not his knowledge of the game or his competency in the transfer market, but his lack or personal skills to communicate with is players.
    Your team just lost to Reading and in patches were actually dominated by Reading and you are calling me a Monday morning quarterback.

    Those player listed above are all purchases when he has been the manager, some he actually sold and made a profit but the last time I looked purchasing players for a team like Liverpool was that they stayed there and won titles.

    Of his 20 purchases of over 5 millions pounds or more, 9 have left with only one being head-hunted by another top team. The rest left because they were not good enough for Liverpool, Who knows whats happening with Babbel but I am sure he will be gone by the summer.

    You then have the much pilloried Lucas and Riera, the jury is still out on Aquilani and Johnson which leaves Torres, Skrtel, Reina and Alonso as purchases he can be happy with. I refuse to include Kuyt in that group just yet.

    Every team will have it's melt downs I accept that but with Benitez it seems he has no plan B, I do hold him to fault that he has no proven striker to back up Torres and that a great deal of money he has spent has been wasted.

    I read the a Tim Vickery column the other day, he who watched so much of Lucas's early career in Brazil and he puts the players failing firmly on Beniteze's shoulders because he persists in playing Lucal in an un-familiar role.

    At the end of the day we are all "Monday morning quarterbacks" but I doubt you can be satisfied with what you have been watching recently.

    BBC - BBC Sport: Phil McNulty: Clock is ticking for Benitez

    And this is the problem for Benitez. Take away Torres and Gerrard and sadly he appears to be left with a team, and a tenure, on the wane.

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    Another two points on Liverpool and I appreciate it is annoying comparing them to United, but

    1. I have heard the moaning from Torres and others about the lack of investment from the current owners(Who are complete morons I agree) as a large reason for this seasons demise. Well what was the close on 40 million that was spent Aquilani, Johnson and Krgyiakos? That was 10 million more than Utd spent on Valencia, Mame Diouf, Obertan and Owen.

    2. As for the team that Benitez inherited, well in some aspects he should be happy with a large portion of those players because without Smicer, Gerrard, Dudek, Hamann and Traore and that win in 2005 he would have one F.A. cup win in 5 years to show for his efforts.

    Ironically Maxi Lopez might just be Benitezes shrewdest signing after Torres and Alonso.
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    Why didn't you show us this list last season after we got knocked out of the CL, the FA Cup, and the Carling Cup? I mean, we didn't win **** last season.

    Sissoko at the price we got him for was a bargain and was just as good a destroyer as Mascherano until he tore his retina. He is holding up pretty well in Juventus as a fan favorite and admitted he came back too early from his eye injury when he was still with Liverpool.

    Juventus took Sissoko and you don't think that's respectable? Arbeloa and Alonso have moved on to Real Madrid. Arbeloa, Luis Garcia, and Albert Riera all got calls to the Spain national team after they played for Liverpool. Mascherano is wanted by Barcelona and is the captain of Argentina. AC Milan is after Daniel Agger. Pepe Reina has developed into one of the best GKs in the world.

    I'm not sure why and I don't rate him, but Kuyt has been a regular starter for the Netherlands national team that are absolutely loaded with attackers. Aurelio and Benayoun might not end up at other big clubs, but they made significant contributions to the club.

    You are among the minority who thinks Johnson isn't worth it. He scored timely goals for us this season and cemented himself as England's starting RB, and hasn't been a liabilty on defense as other are suggesting.

    Babel has talent but is also the laziest, it's a mistake but not a 20-30m. Lucas has made significant progress but he isn't Xabi Alonso.

    As for the Gerrard and Torres thing. A few years ago, Liverpool were a one man team, and ended up winning the Champions League. They continued to be labeled a one man team and ended up in the Champions League Finals for the second time in 3 years. Now that Torres is here, they are a two man team but the fact is Xabi Alonso was the most important player on the team.

    You think Benitez's first choice was Pennant, Crouch, and Bellamy and a bunch of left overs? He was after the calibur of players like Dani Alves, Carlos Tevez, and David Silva and wouldn't have hesitated to buy them had he got the money. Crouch, Bellamy, and Pennant helped Liverpool reach the Champions League Finals, which means the money Liverpool received from going to the Finals is a good return relative to the cost of those three.

    How do you think ManU would fare without Rooney and C. Ronaldo last season? Because Berbatov at 30m sure isn't helping. Chelsea without Essien alone struggled last season to finish third, never mind being without Lampard and Drogba.

    I don't remember when the last time a full strength Arsenal won anything.

    Real Madrid without Kaka and Ronaldo last season got bitch slapped by Liverpool 5-1 aggregate. Imagine Barcelona without Messi and Xavi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy_Ivan View Post
    Your team just lost to Reading and in patches were actually dominated by Reading and you are calling me a Monday morning quarterback.

    Those player listed above are all purchases when he has been the manager, some he actually sold and made a profit but the last time I looked purchasing players for a team like Liverpool was that they stayed there and won titles.

    Of his 20 purchases of over 5 millions pounds or more, 9 have left with only one being head-hunted by another top team. The rest left because they were not good enough for Liverpool, Who knows whats happening with Babbel but I am sure he will be gone by the summer.

    You then have the much pilloried Lucas and Riera, the jury is still out on Aquilani and Johnson which leaves Torres, Skrtel, Reina and Alonso as purchases he can be happy with. I refuse to include Kuyt in that group just yet.

    Every team will have it's melt downs I accept that but with Benitez it seems he has no plan B, I do hold him to fault that he has no proven striker to back up Torres and that a great deal of money he has spent has been wasted.

    I read the a Tim Vickery column the other day, he who watched so much of Lucas's early career in Brazil and he puts the players failing firmly on Beniteze's shoulders because he persists in playing Lucal in an un-familiar role.

    At the end of the day we are all "Monday morning quarterbacks" but I doubt you can be satisfied with what you have been watching recently.

    BBC - BBC Sport: Phil McNulty: Clock is ticking for Benitez
    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy_Ivan View Post
    Another two points on Liverpool and I appreciate it is annoying comparing them to United, but

    1. I have heard the moaning from Torres and others about the lack of investment from the current owners(Who are complete morons I agree) as a large reason for this seasons demise. Well what was the close on 40 million that was spent Aquilani, Johnson and Krgyiakos? That was 10 million more than Utd spent on Valencia, Mame Diouf, Obertan and Owen.

    2. As for the team that Benitez inherited, well in some aspects he should be happy with a large portion of those players because without Smicer, Gerrard, Dudek, Hamann and Traore and that win in 2005 he would have one F.A. cup win in 5 years to show for his efforts.

    Ironically Maxi Lopez might just be Benitezes shrewdest signing after Torres and Alonso.
    Reina 6m, Agger 5m, to a certain extent Alonso 12m, have been his shrewdest signing. Maxi is already 29 years of age and only played 9 games this season.

    Reponse to...
    1. Again, it's ridiculous to say Johnson wasn't worth every penny we paid for him. How the hell did you think Rio, Rooney, Berbatov, Carlos Tevez all ended up with ManU? They over pay. Chelsea over pays. Real Madrid overpays. At the time, Arsenal paying 10m for Henry when he only scored 3 goals in 16 games for Juventus, was overpaying.

    Torres' is right on. Aside from Johnson and Aquilani, we were also going to overpay for LW or a back up striker but the owners decided to use the money to pay the clubs interest on the debt.

    2. Jesus ****ing Christ. You devalue Benitez's recruits, which many has gone on to big clubs, but thinks the ones he inherited were the reason he won in 2005? Out of the 2005 squad, none has gone on to play regularly for another big club. Dudek ended up in Real Madrid as a back up. Gerrard was the only one who was good enough to play for other big clubs.

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    1. That final was won with vital contributions by those players I listed, end of. It's the irony that those players he inherited won him that final is what I was pointing out. Smicer with the goal, Traore with the clearance off the line, Hamman in the penalty s.o. and Dudek with his saves.

    2. I really should not comment on Johnson's signing because in some respects it is early days, yes he has been good going forward but boy has he made some defensive errors. But is he worth 20 million?

    Other teams seem to have made made cheaper signings in that spot.


    Jonathon Pearce summed this up today.

    All managers err in the market, but mistakes seem to be haunting the beleaguered Spaniard. The sale of Xabi Alonso was a massive error. Liverpool challenged last season because Alonso played almost twice the number of games that he did in 2007/8. He controlled their rhythm.

    Alberto Aquilani was immediately pressurised as Alonso's direct replacement because of his lengthy injury. But on the evidence of his opening 10 appearances, he is poor value at 20m. Against Reading, he tackled like a wet lettuce and gave the ball away too cheaply late on.

    Surely the dependable Sami Hyypia could have been kept for another year, with the Reds losing only two of the 18 games he played in last season. Sotirios Kyrgiakos at 2m looks an expensive stopgap who is out of his depth.

    The club will struggle to recoup the money they laid out for him or others, like Ryan Babel and Lucas Leiva, who arrived with big price tags but have failed to have a lasting impact.

    In five-and-a-half years, there has been a turnover of nearly 120 transfers at a net spend of over 85m. There has been too little progress since the Champions League success for that kind of outlay, and Wednesday night's home defeat by Reading left a once-great club floundering in deep distress.
    IMO Tom Oldfield an excellent football writer has made an excellent point by saying that "Benitez has done an excellent job building a starting 11 but a terrible job at building a squad."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy_Ivan View Post
    1. That final was won with vital contributions by those players I listed, end of. It's the irony that those players he inherited won him that final is what I was pointing out. Smicer with the goal, Traore with the clearance off the line, Hamman in the penalty s.o. and Dudek with his saves.

    2. I really should not comment on Johnson's signing because in some respects it is early days, yes he has been good going forward but boy has he made some defensive errors. But is he worth 20 million?

    Other teams seem to have made made cheaper signings in that spot.


    Jonathon Pearce summed this up today.
    1. End of? Yeah go stick your head in the sand. You couldn't even answer my question as to why you weren't saying all this **** last season. You are entitled to your opinions but your opinion in regards to this subject has no substance.

    The players also deserve credit for winning the CL in 2005, but did you ask yourself why they couldn't even get close to the Finals in Houlllier's 6 years in charge WITH a younger Michael Owen. Benitez didn't even have Michael Owen.

    From day one, Benitez introduced the zonal marking system and a more organized defense to overcompensate for the lack of attacking options because Gerrard was the only world class player up front and Luis Garcia provided the creativity. Harry Kewell was constantly injured(so he claimed to be)

    Pepe Reina did not win three Golden Glove awards in a row and broke Liverpool's club record for the fastest GK to 100 clean sheets behind a swiss cheese defense, a defense that had Jamie Carragher called up to the England squad and it was Benitez who turned him into a centerback.

    You are mentioning Smicer, Traore, and Dudek's name because they succeeded under the system. They didn't make Benitez if that's what you're suggesting because Liverpool went back to the CL Finals in two years, won the FA Cup, and broke the club record in points scored in a league season without Smicer, Traore and Dudek. What's your excuse now?

    2. Johnson hasn't made any more defensive mistakes than the other RBs in the league. You'd be crazy if you watched every mistake the defense made and couldn't tell me Carragher was the main culprit. Fact is, Carragher isn't quick enough to cover the space when Johnson leaves in attack.

    Jonathan Pearce is right about Xabi Alonso's sale, but he's making **** up about Aquilani being a poor value at 20m. Aquilani is inconsistent but it's rational to not expect too much out of a newcomer to the EPL who started in the middle of the season after not touching a football for 8 months. Fact is, his first start for Liverpool against Aston Villa was fantastic.

    He is also clueless about Hyppia. Liverpool would have kept him but he wanted to go to a team where he gets more chances to play first team football. Liverpool then turned their attention to Michael Turner but Hull wanted 12m.

    Five and a half years and 85 million net spend is not much. Remember, Liverpool needed to be revamped at every level, so the money didn't just go into the first team.


    Benitez is a more talented than what others give him credit for, but his ego is too big to be given full reign, which is what Liverpool has given him. He can pick out talent and develop them, but there needs to be another personnel to serve to keep him in check.

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