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    Last season Liverpool were top of the table at this point in the season till your sainted manager went on a rant at which point Alex ferguson probably had a good chuckle to himself knowing that he had just broken Liverpool the way he had with Newcastle and kevin Keegan.


    Last season was better but wtf has happened this season? They sold 40 million worth of talent and bought 40 million worth off talent and they are losing. They got knocked out of the Champions league to two teams who have spent decidedly less than Liverpool, they just wrote off 8 million pounds of income through a good cup run after losing to Reading.

    Its easy for players to bitch about spending more money but Liverpool are getting beat by in all competitions by squads that have in some instances spent a fraction of what Liverpool have spent.

    Today Torres is bitching about a lack of transfer funds. Wtf? If 130 million pounds of talent on the pitch can't beat Reading(Twice), Lyon(Twice), Fiorentina(Twice), Villa(Twice), Sunderland, Fulham and fxxxxng Portsmouth of all teams I might be loathed to give that manager another 40 million of funds to spend on players too if i was the owner.

    Benitez and his players are trying to paper over the cracks by harping on about the ownership situation.

    Ask yourself right now, if Guus Hiddink(Or any other good manager) came in and managed this team would things get better, if you answer yes then you are agreeing with me.

    As for the players he inherited you are missing my point, you lambasted the talent that he inherited(And they were crap players) I was pointing out the irony on how those players are probably the reason he still has a job right now because of one very special night in Istanbul. Im NOT saying those players were good, I am saying they are probably the reason Benitez has not been binned yet.
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    Only LAST SEASON was pretty good? LOL.

    Again, you're just chucking numbers out there and have no idea why United bought the way they did. ManU spent on Valencia, Mame, Diouf, Obertan, and Owen. They basically brought in quantity, the same way Benitez had been doing with a tight budget since he got to Liverpool before he was given the funds to make the Torres purchase. Valencia is the only one making an impact at ManU.

    The net spend for Liverpool for the summer was supposed to be $40. Spending $40m after getting $30m for Alonso is a net spend of $10m, you ****ing idiot. You think Torres would have complained if we actually net spent $40m?

    Gus Hiddink is a good manager. The whole point I'm trying to make here is Benitez is not incompetent. Does Russia not reaching the World Cup 2010 make Gus Hiddink incompetent? What about Arsene Wenger? He didn't qualify for the CL two seasons ago. Does that make him incompetent?

    Based on your twisted way of seeing facts, Hiddink isn't fit to manage Liverpool if he can't even beat Slovenia.
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    Since you are so dependent on others opinion on the subject, I'll give you one from ESPN.
    Liverpool sale may see Jose Mourinho move - Barclays Premier League - ESPN Soccernet

    "Of course, if the club fail to make it into the top four then the hope of paying the interest on their loans will diminish and that will exercise their minds about selling the club at a reasonable price. It will also increase the need to find a new manager, and there is little point in doing that, unless he is better than Benitez. That leaves a shortlist of one - Mourinho. The rest are just as good

    "Everyone accuses Rafa of spending a lot of money but that was mainly before 2007, before Gillett and Hicks. Over the last three years, much less has been spent net on players, so he has been operating with one hand tied behind his back.

    "There's no way Jose will be doing that. He will need a big budget to get the team going again. It is simple economics: you have got to be spending big money to be in the top four - there is no way around that. Liverpool haven't got it to spend and won't have it under the current set up. It has got to change, certainly to attract the likes of Mourinho."

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    You are calling me stupid?

    Three times I made a point and you did not get it till I spelt it out for you.

    Ok I will spell the next point out for you very carefully.

    Last season YOU were on here extolling Liverpool and effectively saying that this was a team on the verge of "being a force to be reckoned with."

    I am saying to you if Liverpool sold around 35 million pounds(3 players) and bought around 36 million pounds(3 players) how have they sunk to the depths they find themselves in now?

    I find Liverpools owners deplorable but how many Benitez nut-swingers like you constantly attack the owners and give Benitez and the team a free pass. You are out of all four competition's before the middle of January and you are arguing with me that Benitez is competent?

    I think that if you have between 130-150 million pounds worth of talent on the pitch that the deplorable owners have a reasonable expectation that their team should be getting to the next round of the champions league when they are playing Fiorentina and Lyon, or that they(Whilst out of every other competition) should put up the fight for their lives to beat Reading instead of the pish they did put out.

    Torres shouts for more signings, I think most owners would scoff at that after their team had just been knocked out of nearly all tournaments. Torres and Gerrard should instead rally the troops and try to make that 4th spot so that there is money to spend in the summer.

    What Torres is actually saying is that the exact same squad that came close to winning the league last year( minus two players ) is now not good enough to beat Portsmouth and Reading.

    Clearly it's you have set your sights lower if from last seasons comments of near Liverpool domination to this season calling me names because I can see the obvious. What sticks in my mind about you is how you suggested Daniel Agger should be replacing Alonso in that role, this is effectively the calibre of the person calling me stupid.

    As for United, I know what they bought, however Ferguson buys his depth wisely, that was my whole point at the end of my last post, unless you really think Ngog is an adequate replacement for Torres?

    Going back 5 years Rooney, Van der Sar, Foster, Park, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Da Silva twins, Anderson, Hargreaves, Kusczak, Nani, Tevez, Berbatov, Owen, Valencia and Obertan. All of those players were purchased at a break even net-margin. Add in the local players that are playing for United and have been developed the last 5 years, the likes of Brown, Oshea, Evans, Fletcher and you see what a competent manager does.
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    That article is a joke..........

    He will need a big budget to get the team going again.
    You have to spend big to beat the likes of Fiorentina, Reading, Lyon, Portsmouth etc? If talent of over 100 million pounds can't beat those teams why would any owner want to give the manager another 80 million pounds?

    Someone needs to explain this "Spend big" econonmics to Man utd( With their break even net spend) or Arsenal(Who are actually in a positive net spend) or Aston Villa and Birmingham (who have a net spend less than Liverpool's) all of this over a 5 year period. Oh no, wait, we have to judge Benitez on the spending since Gillet and co took over, because he gets a pass on his signings before the new owners took over.

    "Everyone accuses Rafa of spending a lot of money but that was mainly before 2007, before Gillett and Hicks.
    Incidentally since Gillet et al took over at Liverpool, United have a positive net spend of 4 million and Arsenal have a positive net spend of 17 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy_Ivan View Post
    You are calling me stupid?

    Three times I made a point and you did not get it till I spelt it out for you.

    Ok I will spell the next point out for you very carefully.

    Last season YOU were on here extolling Liverpool and effectively saying that this was a team on the verge of "being a force to be reckoned with."

    I am saying to you if Liverpool sold around 35 million pounds(3 players) and bought around 36 million pounds(3 players) how have they sunk to the depths they find themselves in now?

    I find Liverpools owners deplorable but how many Benitez nut-swingers like you constantly attack the owners and give Benitez and the team a free pass. You are out of all four competition's before the middle of January and you are arguing with me that Benitez is competent?

    I think that if you have between 130-150 million pounds worth of talent on the pitch that the deplorable owners have a reasonable expectation that their team should be getting to the next round of the champions league when they are playing Fiorentina and Lyon, or that they(Whilst out of every other competition) should put up the fight for their lives to beat Reading instead of the pish they did put out.

    Torres shouts for more signings, I think most owners would scoff at that after their team had just been knocked out of nearly all tournaments. Torres and Gerrard should instead rally the troops and try to make that 4th spot so that there is money to spend in the summer.

    What Torres is actually saying is that the exact same squad that came close to winning the league last year( minus two players ) is now not good enough to beat Portsmouth and Reading.

    Clearly it's you have set your sights lower if from last seasons comments of near Liverpool domination to this season calling me names because I can see the obvious. What sticks in my mind about you is how you suggested Daniel Agger should be replacing Alonso in that role, this is effectively the calibre of the person calling me stupid.

    As for United, I know what they bought, however Ferguson buys his depth wisely, that was my whole point at the end of my last post, unless you really think Ngog is an adequate replacement for Torres?

    Going back 5 years Rooney, Van der Sar, Foster, Park, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Da Silva twins, Anderson, Hargreaves, Kusczak, Nani, Tevez, Berbatov, Owen, Valencia and Obertan. All of those players were purchased at a break even net-margin. Add in the local players that are playing for United and have been developed the last 5 years, the likes of Brown, Oshea, Evans, Fletcher and you see what a competent manager does.
    You think the article is bull**** because you don't know **** about what was happening to the club after G&H took over. Saying the article is bull**** and at the same time agreeing our owners are moron is what makes you stupid.

    Was I as optimistic after we sold Alonso? I was even making statements regarding how big of a mistake it would be to sell him. Since you're a quote whore, let me give you another one. RM president Perez was quoted saying Alonso is the most important piece of all his signings last summer...just google it.

    Lets keep this simple for you. You say Gus Hiddink will turn things around for Liverpool and this is in no way of me disapproving of Hiddink's abiilities. Now, if you look at his record he was fired by Real Madrid 10 years ago for bad performances and then fired again a year later by Real Betis for the same reason. Gus Hiddink is currently 63 years of age. After all the success he's had in international football, his Russian team was bounced out of the WC1020 by the mighty Slovenians.

    Bentiez is 49 years old. Obviously, he wouldn't have been hired by Liverpool if he didn't have any major achievements in the past. Taking Liverpool to two CL Finals in three seasons with Crouch, Bellamy, Pennant, Riise is quite a feat regardless how you look at it. This is the most disappointing season for Benitez.

    Now, why do you think a manager who was fired in consecutive years in Spain, one with a cash rich club, when he was a few years more experienced than Rafa, and couldn't reach the WC with Russia after a reputable international managing career, is the better manager to take over for Benitez? If you are going to single out this season's failure for Benitez, then what is Gus Hiddink's excuse for failing to even get into the WC after FOUR YEARS of preparation.

    Arsene Wenger refuse to spend money to rely on this kids and they end up in the Europa League 2 years ago. Great, they play attractive football but of no substance. Adebayor, Arshavin, Fabregas, Kolo Toure, Gallas, have all said the same thing Torres did in the past...spend.

    Instead of criticizing me for having Agger to replace Xabi, why don't you tell me why Agger shouldn't play Xabi's role. What attributes of Agger's is lacking that makes you think he's not capable of Xabi's role(until Aquilani is ready), and you'll answer your own question as to why I'm calling you stupid.

    At least my opinions are based on my own knowledge from actually watching games, instead of hiding behind numbers other people's opinions.

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    Look at Ferguson's league record with ManU in his first 5 seasons. fans were calling for his sacking even though he won a couple of FA cups. Not only were MU disappointing in league standings, they doing so by breaking transfer records...something Benitez hasn't been able to do just yet.

    There is no point in arguing if you are dead set on your so called opinion that Benitez is not competent. But had ManU not been patient back then, who knows what kind of club they'd be now. It was their patience with Ferguson, who achieved success in Scotland and winning the CL with Aberdeen that got him the job. The stability and continuity has been a huge part of ManU's success.

    It was no different from the old boot room of Liverpool. Shankly retires, and passed it on to his assistant Paisley, then onto his assistant Fagan, then onto Dalglish. It was a stable environment that helped Liverpool dominate the 70's and 80's...until some donkey name Sounness ****ed it all up.
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    If you are happy with what is happening out on the pitch then you must be the pride of the asylum, what I am reading here is "I have nothing, so I will turn to name calling."

    Do you really believe all your problems are ownership related?

    Since Gillet et al came along 146 000 000 pounds has been spent and 97 000 000 recouped. They are poor owners but seriously is this all their fault?
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    There you go making **** up again. Where did I say I was happy about this season? If you read my post again, you'll find that I mentioned Benitez isn't without faults.

    You have no answer for me regarding Hiddink's failure at Real Madrid, Real Betis, failing to reach the World Cup with Russia after taking them to the semis in Euro 2008, and why that makes him a better candidate to take over for Benitez.

    Why weren't you going after Wenger when he finished out of the top 4 two seasons ago? Is it because you started following the sport only a week ago?

    You can't even explain why Agger isn't good enough to play in Xabi's position.

    Did Ferguson's record during his first 5 seasons at ManU, after achieving success in Scotland finally shut you up? Why weren't you calling for Ferguson's head when he was making transfer mistakes after mistakes when he failed on Veron, Djemba Djemba, David Bellion, etc? You think Dimitri Berbatov's play justified the 30m ManU paid for him?

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    All I can say is Liverpool failed to win again. I love this team, but this is killing me.

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