June 23rd, 2010, 07:52 PM #181
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeVhSMUSlnQ]YouTube - Landon Donovan Winning Goal vs. Algeria in 2010 World cup (spanish audio)[/ame]
June 23rd, 2010, 08:32 PM #182
I have to disagree with you on your last statement. I don't think their game has been poor. They won their group without losing a match. If not for 2 horrible goals that were called back, they'd have won the group easily and the wouldn't have required extra time to score today. If you can say anything was poor today, it was their finish. With the chances they got, they should've had 4 goals. But they dominated Algeria today, and dominated Slovenia in the second half prior to that.
Originally Posted by Jaygokings!
Yes, they will absolutely need to shore things up if they expect to compete with the elite countries, but I think it is way to far to the extreme to make the claim they have been poor to this point.
June 23rd, 2010, 11:08 PM #183
Yea you can look at scorelines and make comparisons. But I have watched almost all the games. The creativity from Germany is leaps and bounds above that of the U.S. The ball movement is superior, and their defense does NOT allow as much space as our defenders do. We still play a very MLS style game against these premier sides. Kick and chase, fast fast, frantic. If there was one thing I would ask of Donovan, cause he has been Mr. Clutch for us so far, is to SLOOOOOW the game down. We get so antsy and frantic in the middle, slow it down Landon. The mixture of pace and patience is what separates your Donovans from Ronaldos. Our defense is a touch weak on closing forwards as well.
Originally Posted by Pagliacci
Bertas goal was from outside the 18, no one stepped up on him. Gerrards was from a flick from Heskey outside the 18, because no one stepped up on him.
I realize I am being a touch of a wet blanket maybe on U.S. soccer. But it's truth man. Of course you could go to the scoreline and say OMG GERMANY ONLY GOT ONE AGAINST GHANA. Germany owned that game. I watched 90. They got a beauty of a goal, never looked back. Ghana had chances but never closed. Germany held firm and even though it was 1-0 it was a comfortable win. Plus they were without Miro Klose, arguably their best player.
But none of that Germany U.S. analyzing matters. Now we play Ghana. Got to love our chances. We have a better class of players then Ghana. I would be disappointed if we bailed out.
Yea our group stage performance was average at best. But now it's a whole different story.
I could sit here and praise the U.S. to no end for making it to the group stages, but seriously, let's call a spade a spade, we were 2 minutes from being sent home burning down in flames. And suddenly 1 goal in the 92nd minute against a lesser opponent erases a group stage full of flubs and unsure play? Come on now. Let's take of the red white and blue glasses for a minute and realize it. I am as happy as anyone that they made it through. But their are glaring mistakes, that against ANY top tier opponent, would punish the U.S. They got away with it in the group because after all, we were playing Slovenia and Algeria, lesser teams. But believe you me, it wouldn't happen against the best. The U.S. can learn from that, maybe correct their mistakes now that they have been given the chance to go on. Cause like I said, this is a WHOLE new game now.
So in short, NO I was not impressed with the U.S. quality. They could be much much better. They ARE much much better. But there comes a time when you have to stop painting yourself as underdogs and play the quality you are capable of.
P.S: I didn't paint the U.S. for dominance. FIFA did. Everyone did. They had us easily winning through the group. We are ranked 14th in the world. Slovenia 25th, Algeria, 30th. But alas that is why we play the game on more then paper.
Ghana by the way, 32. But again, that's why we play the game.
Last edited by Jaygokings!; June 23rd, 2010 at 11:14 PM.
June 23rd, 2010, 11:16 PM #184
That's a fine take. I can agree that with calls and such it could be much different. Then again, if Andy Green makes that save....
Originally Posted by HockeyMariner88
You could play that game a lot. But yea, time will tell now what the U.S. is made of, Uruguay is no joke of a team, and if we get passed Ghana, and Uruguay gets through Korea, expect Forlan and Suarez to have a field day from outside the 18 if we don't close down quicker. Forlan could knock a nickel of the post he is so dangerous from that range.
I just get very frustrated with people who act like the U.S. isn't supposed to do this stuff. We have an incredible amount of talent. It shouldn't have been this hard for us. literally 2 minutes and 1 goal COMPLETELY changes this whole convo.
2 minutes, we crash out and burn into flames as one of the most disappointing world cups, where there are stories of us not being able to finish, and getting down to early and playing inconsistent...to OMG it's all better now cause we advanced. Cmon, let's be honest.
Last edited by Jaygokings!; June 23rd, 2010 at 11:18 PM.
June 24th, 2010, 01:59 AM #185
Jay I have to say I don't see all this U.S. talent. Your best player plays for a mid table to top 5 English premier league team. Your best striker scored 1 goal in 28 games for a team that got relegated in England and your best defender has just come back from a serious injury.
I think the U.S. has done a fine job, yes the finishing should be decidedly better but as others have pointed out had not been for some poor officiating the U.S. would have won that group with ease. What I am saying is that I think the U.S did the job that reflects their talent. I think some people have an un-realistic expectation when it comes to the U.S. team. The confederation cup is an example, I was shocked at the ammount of people bemoaning a U.S. team that had made the final beaten Spain and given a scare to arguably the best team in the world.
I am sure most fans would have snapped your hand off if you had said they would win the group ahead of England and avoided Germany in the next round.
That being said I think Germany have gotten progressively worse. Apart from Ozil's one on one and Germanys domination of the possesion Ghana had more shots on goal, more clear cut chances and made the german keeper make more saves. I think Germany have some issues at the back that a more clinical team will punish.
Last edited by Crazy_Ivan; June 24th, 2010 at 02:28 AM.
June 24th, 2010, 07:17 AM #186
June 24th, 2010, 08:32 AM #187
Slovakia is going to eliminate Italy!!! Hahahahaha
June 24th, 2010, 09:31 AM #188
Jesus, sorry guys but you are really overrating USA's talent level. They're a mid tier team, think Turkey, Croatia, Serbia (chokers), Czech Rep., Poland, Ireland etc. They're a lot closer to Slovenia than England. And before anyone starts crying about standings, I'm talking about talent level.
June 24th, 2010, 09:54 AM #189
nki, I think Jaygokings is the only one that will argue with that. 2 decent mids in Donovan and Dempsey and Howard in goal. Bradley seems to be a clutch player but not a huge talent. When a 21 year old that's done absolutely nothing so far in Europe is your only half decent forward you're in bad shape.
June 24th, 2010, 12:45 PM #190
Jay, I know US soccer is not very good and has a long way to go. I was never arguing that fact, I was merely stating that the US winning that group and pulling off that win in the final minutes was HUGE for US soccer.
Originally Posted by Jaygokings!