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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    No Kidd wouldn't. He's slower than both those guys. Kidd was just here in Phoenix and Nash ripped him apart. He's not some lockdown shutdown defender. Not anymore anyways.
    I don't think Kidd's head has been completely in the game of late, especially with him asking to be traded. Kidd isn't what he used to be, but he's still one of the best defensive players in the league.

    I'm fine with Fisher and Farmar, I disagree that they get "owned" on defense. Farmar is a pretty good defender, I don't think Kidd is significantly better than either guy in that respect.
    Kidd is significantly better. He can do the little things on D, like taking a charge, use his frame to man up, and come off a screen. A defensive upgrade at the 1 would be huge for this Laker team.

    Plus in our offense our point guard has to be able to hit jump shots. Every triangle PG Phil Jackson has had, is able to make open jump shots. Kidd for all his talents isn't very good at hitting the open jumper.
    I agree with you here about Kidd not being a good shooter. His percentage is down in the 30s this season. But I'd want him more for his defense than anything, since like I said earlier we have no problem scoring.

    He's not a cornerstone. But he's not a liabilty either. He can board and he can protect the rim. Most important of all he'll make other PFs work on D.
    I sure hope he won't be a liability. A huge criticism of Gasol when the Grizzlies were a playoff team was that he showed no intensity, and didn't play well in key situations. He also hasn't figured out how to utilize his frame on defense.

    I certainly am looking forward to seeing Gasol's debut in purple and gold. We're definitely gonna see a lot of shootouts when the Lakers hit the floor.

    (also crossing my fingers that he stays healthy)

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    The lakers acquired a very good 7' post player who's still fairly young (27) without subtracting any real contributors from the current roster. That's a pretty amazing deal. Even 2 future 1st rounders, which will likely be in the 20's, isn't too steep of a price. ESPN analysis:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog...ollinger--john

    L.A. now favorites with Gasol


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    I think Pau Gasol might win a playoff game now. And I think Kobe might finally back off that trade demand.
    The brilliant trade the Lakers made today, in which they traded a sack of leftovers to Memphis for the Spanish power forward, is a far better move than anything they could have done with Jason Kidd and puts the finishing touches on a seemingly overnight transformation from one-man team into title-contending juggernaut.
    Yes, it cost them a bit of their future, but if you're playing for right now, this is about as good a right now move as a team could make.
    Gasol is vastly underrated because he's played in a low-profile market and his team hasn't been any good the past two years. He's been one of the most consistently productive power forwards in basketball for the past half decade, with a PER above 20 for six straight seasons, and at 27 he should have several good years left.
    Yes, he's a little soft. He's also one of the quickest 7-footers in the league and can shoot, handle and pass. That last item is important -- he'll share the ball and play nice with Kobe, and he'll be very effective from the high post in the triangle while Andrew Bynum takes the low block.
    As for the soft part, that should be a lot less of an issue now that he's finally surrounded by big guys who can handle the dirty work. His softness was a much bigger problem on a Memphis team laden with other softies than it will be if Andrew Bynum and Ronny Turiaf have his back.
    The cost is reasonable, too. The two first-rounders figure to be in the late 20s now that L.A. has assembled such a juggernaut. Javaris Crittenton, though a good prospect, would have been competing with Kobe and Jordan Farmar for minutes over the next couple years. And as for Marc Gasol ... he might be a decent role player down the road, but Pau got the good genes in that family.
    Can the Lakers win the title with this team? Absolutely. That doesn't mean they will, mind you, but L.A. has the best team on paper once Bynum comes back. The lineup of Gasol, Bynum, Lamar Odom, Kobe and Derek Fisher, backed by one of the league's deepest benches, should strike fear in the hearts of other Western teams -- especially with Phil Jackson coaching them. Given how even things have been in the West so far, you'd have to look at L.A. as the favorite.
    I understand this trade from Memphis's side as well. This was about as good as they could reasonably hope to do for Gasol -- two draft picks, two prospects and cap relief is a nice haul. And that's what a good trade is in the NBA -- both teams come out of it better than they went in. It happens less often than you'd think.
    But long-term, the outcome of this trade hinges on what the Grizzlies can accomplish this summer. Memphis should have about $15 million in salary cap space as the result of this deal and the recent buyout of Damon Stoudamire, depending on where next year's number comes in and what the cap hold is for their draft pick. That should make the Griz the only player on the market capable of offering a max-contract.
    However, having max cap space and using it to sign a star player are two very different things. The Griz need to hope somebody like Elton Brand or Gilbert Arenas is willing to take their money, otherwise they'll have a hard time getting back equal value on this deal.
    In the meantime, Memphis gets some other assets -- the draft choices, Crittenton (whom I presume they'll audition as a 2 guard since they're already crowded at the point), and down the road the younger Gasol. Additionally, the trade opens playing time for promising forward Hakim Warrick. The Griz were 13-31 with Gasol, so it's hard to argue they erred in getting rid of him.
    This probably won't be the end of the road as far as that goes either. GM Chris Wallace is in his first year and is obviously using their struggles as an opportunity to reshape their roster. Already, a side deal has been reported that sends Stromile Swift to New Jersey for Jason Collins. Don't be surprised if Mike Miller and Darko Milicic have new homes soon as well.

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    Woohoo! Bye Kwame and good luck J-Crit. Gasol is signed through '10-'11 so we have him for 3 more years after this one. Can't wait to see him and Bynum together. Oh man, Bynum-Gasol-Odom down low is going to be sweet.

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    perhaps i'll wear my purple and gold sneakers to the gym today...

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    Wow... and I got this from my E-Mail just awhile ago




    They sure weren't in a hurry to do that... haha.
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    While it seems like most of you are allergic to the "like" button, I just want to personally say thanks for looking anyway.

    Rink Dawg

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    the Lakers are BACK mother****ers

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    oooooooooooooooooh man im lovin this. Bummer loss last night to the pistons btw. But anyways this is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. gotta get my gasol jersey now, well maybe not i dont really wear bball jerseys . GO LAKERS>

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    This deal is unreal. I'm not worried about the defense. Before the injuries the Lakers were one of the best Opponents FG% and the best in the West at Point-differential. There's nothing not to like about this trade; The Lakers just shipped Kwame Brown out for a stud PF.


    I do feel alittle bad for Kwame though. Stephen A. Smith ripped him apart on Sportscenter when the trade occurred. I mean lets face it, we all know Kwame is the furthest thing from a marginal player, but SAS showed very little class tearing him apart.

    Of course I was watching ESPN so what can I expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon View Post
    This deal is unreal. I'm not worried about the defense. Before the injuries the Lakers were one of the best Opponents FG% and the best in the West at Point-differential. There's nothing not to like about this trade; The Lakers just shipped Kwame Brown out for a stud PF.


    I do feel alittle bad for Kwame though. Stephen A. Smith ripped him apart on Sportscenter when the trade occurred. I mean lets face it, we all know Kwame is the furthest thing from a marginal player, but SAS showed very little class tearing him apart.

    Of course I was watching ESPN so what can I expect.
    Yea, you can't expect much from SAS. He has to yell and make bold comments in order to get ratings. As for Kwame, I don't feel bad for a guy making $9M/year.

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    My day just got better. Now the playoffs will be REALLY interesting.

    I know how most of you are sincerely distraught over Kwame's exit so I put together this picture montage for you. Enjoy:



    I can do it! I can do it! Stick wit'em. Oh....




    Please miss it.....c'mon....




    Gotcha!.....OH....man, he got by me.




    Okay, I'm seriously getting owned here...




    ...and here....




    I can't catch you....so I'll slap your bitch-ass head!




    Hey, Kwame! Guess what??




    Say what? Memphis?!


    SO LONG KWAME. KNOCK 'EM DEAD IN MEMPHIS.

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