November 29th, 2009, 07:31 PM #1
so abou the usc/ucla game....
a friend of mine (ucla '91) and i (usc law '01) have been having an interesting discussion about yesterday's game.
his position is: carroll is an a-hole for calling for the bomb with a 21-7 lead and :54 left on the clock.
my position is: carroll called for barkley to take a knee on first down and was ready to run out the clock. neuheisel called a time out with the game already out of reach. so, neuheisel wanted to play, and carroll gave neuheisel more than his team could handle. carroll made a sportsmanly gesture to let the game end, and neuheisel threw down the gauntlet like an a-hole. and neuheisel got burned like an a-hole.
so who's the a-hole?
November 29th, 2009, 08:08 PM #2
The A-holes are the people making a big deal out of this. UCLA seems to have thought that they had a chance at the game, otherwise why call a timeout? So USC put a dagger in em.
Maddogg's rule of sports #6: If a team is down, but wants to play to very last then you kick them in the nuts until they puke and stomp on their faces.
November 30th, 2009, 12:45 AM #3
I think Neuheisel shouldn't have called that time out. Carrol was trying to run the clock out. I believe that UCLA was gonna try to show USC up by trying to get the ball back and score (thinking USC was gonna keep kneeling), so Carrol called for the bomb to show UCLA up for calling the timeout. I DO think that USC players shouldn't have taunted like they did after the TD, that was kinda bush-league.
November 30th, 2009, 01:12 AM #4
After the absolutely horrific season the Torjans have had, they were probably just shocked that they actually won the damn game. This is from a USC fan.
Originally Posted by CardiacKid56
“Monsters are real, and ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win.” ― Stephen King
November 30th, 2009, 08:50 AM #5
Don't taunt the pit bull, you will be bitten.
Ricky's fault, well done Pete.
November 30th, 2009, 05:26 PM #6
The decision was douchey, but it was exacerbated by the fact that Carroll and USC started acting like they won the national championship and coaches/players started flipping off the UCLA sideline after they scored a TD against a 7th place Pac-10 team who wasn't playing defense deep.
It was definitely hypocritical after Carroll threw his temper tantrum two weeks ago. Neuheisel calling timeout was obnoxious (I was at the game leaving in the concourse and heard the timeout and rolled my eyes), but it was a completely disproportionate and classless response.
November 30th, 2009, 05:41 PM #7
Sloppy game on both sides. A hole behavior on both sides.
Two coaches who are barely able to control their teams.
If you are going to call timeout to try and get the ball back, play some defense.
December 1st, 2009, 11:39 PM #8
it's pretty clear to me that USC has no class.
December 2nd, 2009, 01:10 AM #9
I could care less really about either one of these teams, but on this issue I'm in the "if you are going to call the timeout, you better be ready to play defense" camp.
Neuheisel was just trying to be obnoxious, so eye for an eye.
Can't say I blame either one of them. Its a rivalry, not a "lack of class". If the Kings were up 9-0 on the Ducks, I'd be hoping they would make it 10-0.
December 3rd, 2009, 12:20 AM #10
I have no problem with Neuheisel calling the time out. I see nothing wrong in using every possible avenue in an attempt to get the ball back. As coaches say, you play until the final whistle, and never give up.
I have no problem with Carroll's decision to go for the bomb. As Neuheisel allowed, it was their job to defend against it and they didn't. It would have been interesting, however, to see what happened had the pass been incomplete or intercepted.
I do have a problem, though, with Carroll's third-grade display of running around on the field waving and gesticulating like his teacher had just given him a gold star (and where was the penalty, since that's against the rules), and the entire team hopping up and down, taunting and moving out onto the field themselves. Yep, congratulations on your climb to the top of the BCS with that win! /sarcasm
And the pogo has been out of style since punk died, guys. Get with the program.
Funny that Carroll wasn't too happy when the shoe was on the other foot against Stanford now, was he? He was whining to anyone who would listen (and they stopped the 2-point conversion). I'd love to hear his comments had Stanford cashed in the 2 points; he'd still be whining.
It was an entirely classless display; I hope they enjoy playing in their hinky-dinky bowl game in El Paso, or Boise or Las Vegas, or wherever it is they wind up.
Last edited by ChilledAgua; December 3rd, 2009 at 07:21 AM.