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    Quote Originally Posted by bland View Post

    Pavlik is a craftsman, where as Taylor is just an outstanding athlete with little real boxing skills. He got the good end of two lousy decisions against Hopkins (I had both fights scored 116-112 for Hopkins), he clearly lost to Wright, and I even had lowly Spinks eeking out a victory.

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    Are you serious? What fight were you watching that night? Spinks probably averaged 10 punches per round that entire fight.

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    My observations:

    Pretty much exactly what I expected, though I never thought Taylor would land clean enough to catch Pavlik as hard as he did in the second round. Pavlik uncharacteristically put his hands down, and he got caught hard.

    That was actually the turning point - Taylor is not a "real" fighter - he doesn't have the mentality to deal with adversity - with the exception of half of the fifth round, Taylor was completely lost from the moment Pavlik got up of the canvas. He has no natural boxing instincts.

    Pavlik is a beast - he puts his head down and goes to work. He's all substance, and no style, which is something clearly lacking in boxing at this period in time. A Pavlik-Calzaghe fight would be spectacular. Grit and power versus grit and speed...

    One last point - I thought this was an exceptionally easy fight to score. I had Pavlik up by one point heading into the seventh, clearly winning rounds 1, 3, 4 and 6. Taylor deserved the 10-8, or I would argue 10-7, scoring in the 2nd round. I also thought he jabbed his way to winning round 5.

    How in the hell the judges had Taylor up 59-54 and 58-55 is completely beyond me. Taylor receives more phantom rounds than any boxer in recent memory.

    I bet Steward is fired within the month. He's gonna take the fall for Taylor, as most mentally weak fighters always blame their trainers after their first loss. It ain't Manny's fault...

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    Finally the HBO paper champion gets a loss on his record. Jermaine Taylor won a championship and got worse every time he went out there to fight and somehow managed to win all those decisions. The emperor has no clothes and no championship belt.

    As far as Emanuel Steward goes...I have not been too impressed with his fighters lately. I keep having flashbacks of the Steward trained, Vivian Harris, getting his ass handed to him by Carlos Maussa because of that idiotic plan of attack in which Harris was drained after trying to knock Maussa's head off in the opening rounds.

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    First off, we should acknowledge that this was a damn good fight. A great way to kick off this stacked fall/winter lineup of fights.

    I think it's pretty ironic that this was the best Jermain Taylor has looked pretty much ever and he lost. I thought he looked vastly improved, he was hooking off his jab and even throwing to the body. Like Bland mentioned, Jermain was a 1-2 combo right. Jab, cross, and that was it. In this fight he did have the hook going for him and he did throw some lead rights. Like the HBO guys mentioned, Pavlik was the first conventional fighter JT has faced in awhile. Of course he was going to hit him fairly accurately. Pavlik is a tough hombre though.

    I wouldn't say he has zero boxing instincts. He made a conscious effort to stay off the ropes and to try and keep the fight in the middle of the ring. Pavlik though just put so much pressure on him that he eventually would get backed up against the ropes.

    Pavlik though, he's got bricks in his hands. You could tell that he was slowly finding his range with the right hand and his jab was landing consistently. Taylor has a pretty good chin but he wasn't going to last, he got hit way too often.

    All in all a great fight. Andre Berto had a solid outing as well. Look for him in the future. Still very young, I hope they continue to build him up slowly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bland View Post

    Pavlik is a beast - he puts his head down and goes to work. He's all substance, and no style, which is something clearly lacking in boxing at this period in time. A Pavlik-Calzaghe fight would be spectacular. Grit and power versus grit and speed...
    Don't hold your breath on Calzaghe-Pavlik. Of course it would make for a great fight but Taylor had a rematch clause in the fight contract, and by all accounts he intends to use it.

    Taylor, 29, said he planned to take advantage of the rematch clause.

    "I lost the championship. So now it's all about going back to gym and regrouping," he said. "I would like to fight him again my very next fight."
    That's from Dan Rafael's story from the fight.

    Not to mention Calzaghe has to get by Mikael Kessler in November, which will be a great fight. Plus, Calzaghe has never been that anxious to come to the States to fight(a real shame). And I'm not sure if Pavlik would be willing to go to Wales to fight. We'll see what happens, but those 2 fighting each other, probably wouldn't happen till at least the summer if not later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemOfACrown View Post

    As far as Emanuel Steward goes...I have not been too impressed with his fighters lately. I keep having flashbacks of the Steward trained, Vivian Harris, getting his ass handed to him by Carlos Maussa because of that idiotic plan of attack in which Harris was drained after trying to knock Maussa's head off in the opening rounds.
    Hmmm, I don't know about that. I thought Taylor looked much improved and I don't know if you could blame Steward for Vivian Harris for being an idiot.

    I remember, Harris talking all kinds of trash going into that fight because he wanted to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr.(the fight was on the undercard of the Floyd-Gatti fight). So he came out guns blazing in that fight trying to look impressive and he gassed. So basically, I chalked that fight up to Harris being an idiot.

    I think Steward's track record speaks for himself. He's pretty much built Wladmir into a damn good fighter. Although he got rocked and put on his ass a few times by Samuel Peter he did have the correct gameplan(clinch in close and tough Peter up from the outside). Steward is a damn good trainer, it helps to have a guy like him in the corner but the cornerman can only do so much.

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    Alright, quick turnaround as far as the fights go. This weekend, Pacquiao-Barrera II.

    It's HBO PPV, but whoever thinks this fight isn't worth the price is a retard. A lot of people are thinking it'll be an "easy" fight for Pac but I think it'll be anything but.

    Matchup wise everything favors Pacquiao, that's a given. But it's hard to count out Barrera only because he's been counted out so many times and he's shown that he's not done yet. A good example is the Rocky Juarez fights. In the first one, Barrera looked fairly old and looked like he was close to being done. He grinded out a win based pretty much on guile and of course that vicious body attack. But in the second fight, a lot of people though Juarez(a big time puncher) would win. And of course Barrera schooled him in the second fight.

    A similar situation could be happening here, Barrera didn't look great against JMM. So a lot of people are counting him out.

    Just to be clear, I don't think Barrera has a great chance of winning but I think he'll be a game fighter. He'll probably last longer than Morales, but if Pacquiao is on his game, let's be honest. He can beat damn near everyone in that division.

    Basically the only thing that can stop Pacquiao against Barrera is if he throws in a bad night. Obviously there's drama surrounding his camp, he showed up late to the states, then flew back to Cebu with Roach following him. Roach as always said though that when Pac goes to work he's a machine. I'm nervous because he could be taking this fight lightly, but I think Roach will keep him in the right state of mind and he's so damn talented.

    All in all it should be a great fight. Pacquiao versus anybody is a must see fight and against a legend like Barrera it is 100% must see.

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    Actually you can blame Steward for that loss to Carlos Maussa when he himself admitted not giving any direction to Vivian Harris other than telling him that Maussa's awkward body movements make him look like he's getting hurt when he really isn't, during the fight.

    As far as your assessment of the Manny/Barrera fight you couldn't be more right. These are the types of fights that can go down as the best ones. One guy is seem as shot and the other can't be beat...

    They always say that at the late stages of a boxer's career they have that one last great fight...let's hope this is Barrera's and both of these guys can show us why boxing attracts so many of us to its web.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemOfACrown View Post
    Actually you can blame Steward for that loss to Carlos Maussa when he himself admitted not giving any direction to Vivian Harris other than telling him that Maussa's awkward body movements make him look like he's getting hurt when he really isn't, during the fight.
    Eh, not much Manny can do when his fighter fights like an idiot and punches himself out. Maussa was hurt early on in that fight. Harris was just too damn eager because he wanted to show how awesome he was.
    Quote Originally Posted by SystemofaCrown
    They always say that at the late stages of a boxer's career they have that one last great fight...let's hope this is Barrera's and both of these guys can show us why boxing attracts so many of us to its web.
    Yea, I mean I'll never count out Barrera, but if Pac fights his own fight, no matter how perfect Barrera is he'll lose. It's just a bad match up for him. I may be a bit biased but Pacquaio is a bad matchup for damn near everyone at 130. 2 guys have had success against Pacquaio, Morales who then got knocked out twice and JMM. And Juan Manual a tough and technical fighter got put on his ass 4 times in the first round. He did a great job of coming back and getting a draw but that's wild isn't it? One of the guys who has had success against Pac got knocked down 4 times in that fight. I mean think about that for a second!

    I don't see how Barrera can emulate either of those guy's gameplans. Morales used his size as well as a very good jab to beat Pac that night. And Barrera won't be the bigger guy and I don't think his jab is as good as Morales' . Maybe he can copy the blueprint that JMM made but I'm not sure Barrera is that disciplined to fight that kind of fight.

    It'll be fun to watch though. No doubt.

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    Pavlik/Taylor fight was awsome. Why do I feel that fight was more exciting than any MMA fight i've seen over the past year? I watched the last two MMA PPV programs, and found myself yawning throughout. Not saying boxing is 'better' than MMA, or MMA is a bunch of guys rolling around on the ground. I just feel that a great fight like Taylor/Pavlik is 10 times more exciting than a good MMA fight. Maybe I need to watch more MMA to fully grasp what the hype is all about.

    If only Boxing could market itself better, maybe some of the MMA fans will start watching Boxing more often.

    As far as the fight goes, Taylor doesn't use his foot speed at all!!! The guy stands right in front of a huge puncher, not a recipe for success IMO. The HBO announcers spoke about Taylor's flat footed style of fighting. I feel like this is a huge reason why he lost this fight. He needs to be on his toes and needs move more. He has NO head movement whatsoever.

    I don't think Taylor should come back right away to fight Pavlik. I feel it'll be the same outcome if he does fight Pavlik early in 2008. He needs to swallow his pride and fight a couple 'cupcakes' in order to fine-tune his craft (mainly his defensive skills) and his conditioning.

    As far as Pavlik goes, he should a lot of heart by coming back after round#2. Love to see him fight the winner of Kessler/Calzaghe before Taylor. We'll see.

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